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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:55 pm
Post subject: Tigers win three in a row...
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With today's win, the Tigers have won three in a row. This is
the first time they've strung three W's together in nearly two
months. (Last time was July 8-10 against Chicago White Sox.)
The Tigers have a 3-1 record for the month of September...
this is the first time this year they've had a winning record
after playing the first four games of a month.
The Tigers need just 6 more wins to avoid that 120 loss mark.
Next up: Road trip to Canada for three against the Jays. A
day off on Monday, then three in the Big Apple against the
Yanks before returning home for a *4* game series against
Kansas. Monday had been a scheduled day off, but the Royals
and Tiger will make up a game rained out earlier in the year.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 1:20 pm
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:55:11 -0400, "All the News"
<boermac RemoveThis @river.it.gvsu.edu> enlightened us:
>With today's win, the Tigers have won three in a row. This is
>the first time they've strung three W's together in nearly two
>months. (Last time was July 8-10 against Chicago White Sox.)
>
>The Tigers have a 3-1 record for the month of September...
>this is the first time this year they've had a winning record
>after playing the first four games of a month.
>
>The Tigers need just 6 more wins to avoid that 120 loss mark.
>
>Next up: Road trip to Canada for three against the Jays. A
>day off on Monday, then three in the Big Apple against the
>Yanks before returning home for a *4* game series against
>Kansas. Monday had been a scheduled day off, but the Royals
>and Tiger will make up a game rained out earlier in the year.
>
> Chris
>
It is going to be hard for the Tigers to win 6 more games especially
with that schedule. Maybe they'll pull 1 out in Toronto and maybe 1
against KC, but the dreaded Yankees will get 3 and KC should get 3.
After KC, the Blue Jays come to town for 3 games then the Tigers go to
Minnesota for 3, KC for 3 and finish at home with 4 against the Twins.
With the Twins and Royals still fighting for a playoff position,
they'll be putting up their best line ups against the Tigers.
139 games have been played. 23 more to go. For the Tigers to win 6
out of 23 means they have to play .260 percentage and they are
currently playing at a .266 clip. There is hope!
Another note of some historical importance. There was a chance that
the Tigers would have 2 20 game losers on their pitching staff. I
don't know if that's a first or not but I'm sure it hasn't happened in
a long time. Even having 1 20 game loser is a rarity. Maroth has 19
loses and Bonderman 18. But Bonderman has been knocked out of the
starting rotation, so he may not get two more loses. Maroth, however,
could achieve that dubious mark tonight against the Blue Jays.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:12 pm
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> >The Tigers need just 6 more wins to avoid that 120 loss mark.
> >
> >Next up: Road trip to Canada for three against the Jays. A
> >day off on Monday, then three in the Big Apple against the
> >Yanks before returning home for a *4* game series against
> >Kansas. Monday had been a scheduled day off, but the Royals
> >and Tiger will make up a game rained out earlier in the year.
>
> It is going to be hard for the Tigers to win 6 more games especially
> with that schedule. Maybe they'll pull 1 out in Toronto and maybe 1
> against KC, but the dreaded Yankees will get 3 and KC should get 3.
> After KC, the Blue Jays come to town for 3 games then the Tigers go to
> Minnesota for 3, KC for 3 and finish at home with 4 against the Twins.
> With the Twins and Royals still fighting for a playoff position,
> they'll be putting up their best line ups against the Tigers.
The best thing, from the Tigers perspective, will be for
the KC or Minny to get effectively knocked out of the
playoffs. At that point the team will start shutting down
their tired players and start "Trying out" some rookies.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:29 pm
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> Another note of some historical importance. There was a
> chance that the Tigers would have 2 20 game losers on
> their pitching staff. I don't know if that's a first or not but
> I'm sure it hasn't happened in a long time. Even having 1
> 20 game loser is a rarity.
I just happened to look on ESPN's Tiger page to check the
status of the other AL Central teams. They have this nugget
of info:
"The last team with two 20-game losers was the 1973 White Sox
with Wilbur Wood (24-20) and Stan Bahnsen (18-21)."
I'm not too suprised that its necessary to go back to the
4-man rotation years to find this. Obviously with a 4-
man rotation and starting pitcher who often went much
later into the game a pitcher has a much higher chance
of being the pitcher of record more often. More chances
to be the pitcher of record means more chances to be
the losing pitcher.
Note that the "worse" of the two pitcher was only 3
games shy of a .500 record. Bondermand and Maroth
combined don't have as many wins as Bahnsen.
And the "better" of the two pitchers actually has a
winning record.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:15 am
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:29:17 -0400, "All the News"
<boermac.DeleteThis@river.it.gvsu.edu> enlightened us:
>> Another note of some historical importance. There was a
>> chance that the Tigers would have 2 20 game losers on
>> their pitching staff. I don't know if that's a first or not but
>> I'm sure it hasn't happened in a long time. Even having 1
>> 20 game loser is a rarity.
>
>I just happened to look on ESPN's Tiger page to check the
>status of the other AL Central teams. They have this nugget
>of info:
>
>"The last team with two 20-game losers was the 1973 White Sox
>with Wilbur Wood (24-20) and Stan Bahnsen (18-21)."
>
>I'm not too suprised that its necessary to go back to the
>4-man rotation years to find this. Obviously with a 4-
>man rotation and starting pitcher who often went much
>later into the game a pitcher has a much higher chance
>of being the pitcher of record more often. More chances
>to be the pitcher of record means more chances to be
>the losing pitcher.
>
>Note that the "worse" of the two pitcher was only 3
>games shy of a .500 record. Bondermand and Maroth
>combined don't have as many wins as Bahnsen.
>And the "better" of the two pitchers actually has a
>winning record.
>
> Chris
>
Good catch there Chris. The last 20 game loser was 1980, so both
feats are very rare. And sadly Maroth achieved it. Giving up 5 runs
in 3 or 4 innings is the sure sign of a 20 game loser! But given that
his grandmother just passed plus knowing what was on the line you've
got to give the guy some slack. Hopefully next year he'll come back
as a 20 game winner.
Regards,
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:07 pm
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"SkippyPB" <swiegand.DeleteThis@neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:29:17 -0400, "All the News"
> <boermac.DeleteThis@river.it.gvsu.edu> enlightened us:
>
> >> Another note of some historical importance. There was a
> >> chance that the Tigers would have 2 20 game losers on
> >> their pitching staff. I don't know if that's a first or not but
> >> I'm sure it hasn't happened in a long time. Even having 1
> >> 20 game loser is a rarity.
> >
> >I just happened to look on ESPN's Tiger page to check the
> >status of the other AL Central teams. They have this nugget
> >of info:
> >
> >"The last team with two 20-game losers was the 1973 White Sox
> >with Wilbur Wood (24-20) and Stan Bahnsen (18-21)."
> >
> >I'm not too suprised that its necessary to go back to the
> >4-man rotation years to find this. Obviously with a 4-
> >man rotation and starting pitcher who often went much
> >later into the game a pitcher has a much higher chance
> >of being the pitcher of record more often. More chances
> >to be the pitcher of record means more chances to be
> >the losing pitcher.
> >
> >Note that the "worse" of the two pitcher was only 3
> >games shy of a .500 record. Bondermand and Maroth
> >combined don't have as many wins as Bahnsen.
> >And the "better" of the two pitchers actually has a
> >winning record.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> Good catch there Chris. The last 20 game loser was 1980, so both
> feats are very rare. And sadly Maroth achieved it. Giving up 5 runs
> in 3 or 4 innings is the sure sign of a 20 game loser! But given that
> his grandmother just passed plus knowing what was on the line you've
> got to give the guy some slack. Hopefully next year he'll come back
> as a 20 game winner.
OK, Maroth has a really good excuse for losing 1 of his 20 games...he still
lost 20 no matter how it is sliced. You could probably count a couple of
his other losses as not really losing based on the errors of the rest of the
team too. In the end, he didn't pitch well enough to not be a 20 game
loser. I hope he bounces back next year too. He has shown in a few games
that he is capable of being a good pitcher. >> Stay informed about: Tigers win three in a row... |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:12 pm
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Maroth has pitched decent at times, but the popular notion that he has
"pitched well" and just been victimized by a bad team is really not true.
The numbers tell of a pretty weak performance overall, to wit:
* 200 hits allowed in 170 innings. (One hit per inning is a tiny bit better
than average)
* 74 strikeouts and 44 walks (not a very good ratio)
* An ERA of 5.75
* A whopping 31 home runs allowed (one shy of the league lead, and the most
on the Tigers by far)
* 116 runs allowed, also one shy of the league lead
Granted, any pitcher would lose a lot on this team, but Maroth has
contributed a lot to his own problems.
1MF
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> "SkippyPB" <swiegand RemoveThis @neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:hpqjlvohlq3urtungg7njjeel80qr4k06k@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:29:17 -0400, "All the News"
> > <boermac RemoveThis @river.it.gvsu.edu> enlightened us:
> >
> > >> Another note of some historical importance. There was a
> > >> chance that the Tigers would have 2 20 game losers on
> > >> their pitching staff. I don't know if that's a first or not but
> > >> I'm sure it hasn't happened in a long time. Even having 1
> > >> 20 game loser is a rarity.
> > >
> > >I just happened to look on ESPN's Tiger page to check the
> > >status of the other AL Central teams. They have this nugget
> > >of info:
> > >
> > >"The last team with two 20-game losers was the 1973 White Sox
> > >with Wilbur Wood (24-20) and Stan Bahnsen (18-21)."
> > >
> > >I'm not too suprised that its necessary to go back to the
> > >4-man rotation years to find this. Obviously with a 4-
> > >man rotation and starting pitcher who often went much
> > >later into the game a pitcher has a much higher chance
> > >of being the pitcher of record more often. More chances
> > >to be the pitcher of record means more chances to be
> > >the losing pitcher.
> > >
> > >Note that the "worse" of the two pitcher was only 3
> > >games shy of a .500 record. Bondermand and Maroth
> > >combined don't have as many wins as Bahnsen.
> > >And the "better" of the two pitchers actually has a
> > >winning record.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> > Good catch there Chris. The last 20 game loser was 1980, so both
> > feats are very rare. And sadly Maroth achieved it. Giving up 5 runs
> > in 3 or 4 innings is the sure sign of a 20 game loser! But given that
> > his grandmother just passed plus knowing what was on the line you've
> > got to give the guy some slack. Hopefully next year he'll come back
> > as a 20 game winner.
>
> OK, Maroth has a really good excuse for losing 1 of his 20 games...he
still
> lost 20 no matter how it is sliced. You could probably count a couple of
> his other losses as not really losing based on the errors of the rest of
the
> team too. In the end, he didn't pitch well enough to not be a 20 game
> loser. I hope he bounces back next year too. He has shown in a few games
> that he is capable of being a good pitcher.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Tigers win three in a row... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:05 pm
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>From: "One Man's Fool" dan.TakeThisOut@northstar-prifyouspammeilldestroyyou.com
>Date: 9/6/2003 12:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <vlk8c1emi6n655.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>
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>Maroth has pitched decent at times, but the popular notion that he has
>"pitched well" and just been victimized by a bad team is really not true.
>
>The numbers tell of a pretty weak performance overall, to wit:
>
>* 200 hits allowed in 170 innings. (One hit per inning is a tiny bit better
>than average)
>* 74 strikeouts and 44 walks (not a very good ratio)
>* An ERA of 5.75
>* A whopping 31 home runs allowed (one shy of the league lead, and the most
>on the Tigers by far)
>* 116 runs allowed, also one shy of the league lead
>
>Granted, any pitcher would lose a lot on this team, but Maroth has
>contributed a lot to his own problems.
>
>1MF
Very true. His ERA of 5.75 after his game vs. Toronto also is telling of how
he has pitched. Is he a 'true' 20 game loser? Maybe not. But he also hasn't
proven to be an above .500 pitcher, either.
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