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S C

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:08 pm
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one prospect, a 2nd or 3rd pitcher? probably some cash to eat some of the
contract. is Mondesi's deal done with toronto?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:14 pm
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S C wrote:
> one prospect, a 2nd or 3rd pitcher? probably some cash to eat some of the
> contract. is Mondesi's deal done with toronto?

Delgado has a no-trade clause, and will be in a Jays uniform
for 2004.

Mondesi's contract will be off the books for the 2004
season; the Jays are paying half his $13M salary this year,
the Yankees 1/3, and the remaining 1/6 is paid by the
Diamondbacks.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:18 pm
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> one prospect, a 2nd or 3rd pitcher? probably some cash to eat some of the
> contract. is Mondesi's deal done with toronto?
>
>
Perhaps the best move JP has done so far is getting rid of Mondesi. I was
suprised he was able to dump him and his large contract. Biggest waste of
talent.
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Chuck Van Den Corput

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:18 pm
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:18:11 GMT, "Asianflow" <rmchan.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Perhaps the best move JP has done so far is getting rid of Mondesi. I was
>suprised he was able to dump him and his large contract. Biggest waste of
>talent.

It's funny with guys like Mondesi. There's an inclination, as with
players like Escobar (as per another thread), to want to believe that
if such physically talented players could just get their brains into
the game, there's no telling how great they could be.

But after a while, you've got to give up on these sorts of players, or
at least temper your expectations and not give them $10M a year
contracts. Sure, something *could* happen to them and they *could*
learn to leverage their physical skills (Sammy Sosa is the best recent
example I can think of), but more often than not, they'll break your
heart. They'll look like world beaters one day and bums the next.

I'm curious about how much scouts factor in a young player's mental
makeup when assessing him. Of course, even if the scouts *were* to
factor that in, it's an awfully presumptuous thing to pretend to be
able to measure a player's intellectual capacity to harness his
abilities. Especially based on fleeting observations.

This is not a rhetorical question, but would you rather see a 350/450
OF who's phsyically talented and not able to leverage his talent (a la
Mondesi) or a player who *has* to be smart because of physical
deficiencies (a la Kielty or a Reed Johnson)?

The former at least give you reason to hold out hope that they could
get better. The latter are easier on the nerves and more likely to
become fan favourites.

Chuck
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Neal Smith

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:21 pm
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as a wiseman once said "genius is 1% inspiration and 99% persperation"

I'd take Johnson or Kielty over Mondesi any day of the week. At least you
KNOW they are going to try!

"Chuck Van Den Corput" <NOSPAMcvandencorput.DeleteThis@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:18:11 GMT, "Asianflow" <rmchan.DeleteThis@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >Perhaps the best move JP has done so far is getting rid of Mondesi. I was
> >suprised he was able to dump him and his large contract. Biggest waste of
> >talent.
>
> It's funny with guys like Mondesi. There's an inclination, as with
> players like Escobar (as per another thread), to want to believe that
> if such physically talented players could just get their brains into
> the game, there's no telling how great they could be.
>
> But after a while, you've got to give up on these sorts of players, or
> at least temper your expectations and not give them $10M a year
> contracts. Sure, something *could* happen to them and they *could*
> learn to leverage their physical skills (Sammy Sosa is the best recent
> example I can think of), but more often than not, they'll break your
> heart. They'll look like world beaters one day and bums the next.
>
> I'm curious about how much scouts factor in a young player's mental
> makeup when assessing him. Of course, even if the scouts *were* to
> factor that in, it's an awfully presumptuous thing to pretend to be
> able to measure a player's intellectual capacity to harness his
> abilities. Especially based on fleeting observations.
>
> This is not a rhetorical question, but would you rather see a 350/450
> OF who's phsyically talented and not able to leverage his talent (a la
> Mondesi) or a player who *has* to be smart because of physical
> deficiencies (a la Kielty or a Reed Johnson)?
>
> The former at least give you reason to hold out hope that they could
> get better. The latter are easier on the nerves and more likely to
> become fan favourites.
>
> Chuck
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