3 best simultaneous ss-3b combos ever?

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:40:24 -0500, Steve Cutchen
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> F R ><esponda2 DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote:

>> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
>> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
>> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?


>Byrne-Wagner

And who are the other two pairs? Anyway, I think you mean
Leach-Wagner.

I can't think of any. The 1890's had Jennings-McGraw and
Long-Collins, but the Giants didn't have a third baseman to match
Davis. There weren't many great third basemen before 1970 or so, and
then there weren't many great shortstops for a while.

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In article <0s6g935mi2pou3ib4k181j05n3t0jej43n.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
Clifford Blau <cliffordblau.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>I can't think of any. The 1890's had Jennings-McGraw and
>Long-Collins, but the Giants didn't have a third baseman to match
>Davis. There weren't many great third basemen before 1970 or so, and
>then there weren't many great shortstops for a while.
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All true. In 1961, though, Ernie Banks was wrapping up a
decade in which he was easily the best shortstop in the
league (yes, I realize what kind of year Wills had in '61),
and Ron Santo broke out in what should be an obvious HoF
career (I'm not responsible for the BBWA), ranking among
league leaders in walks, doubles, extra-base hits, range
factor, and so on. So, Banks-Santo ('60-61) at least
deserves mention.

'61 was a brutal year for the Cubs. Banks and Santo hit
well, of course, and Billy Williams started to find his
sweet stroke, but easily the top hitter for the team was
"Big George" Altman (!), ninth in the league in OPS+.
Yet this was a team that won only 64 games--painful.
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On Jul 12, 10:53?pm, espon....DeleteThis@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?
>
> i can't think of any.
>
> frank

1894
Pit - Glasscock / Lyons
NYG - Jennings / McGraw
Bos - Long / Nash
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On Jul 12, 10:53 pm, espon....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?
>
> i can't think of any.
>
> frank

Pete Ward and Ron Hansen or the White Sox
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In article <1184479304.579243.55270.DeleteThis@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
mrbrklyn <spam-killer.DeleteThis@nylxs.com> wrote:
>On Jul 12, 10:53 pm, espon....DeleteThis@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
>> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
>> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?
>>
>> i can't think of any.
>>
>> frank
>
>Pete Ward and Ron Hansen or the White Sox
>

As a fan of the Southsiders during the '60s, I'm
sympathetic; we're going to have to explain, though,
what we mean by "better" in this case (and how, for
example, they top the Aurelio Rodriguez-Ed Brinkman
combination in Detroit, or the more celebrated
Robinson-Belanger).

If you're coyly making the point that the '60s
were a time when defense was overvalued for short-
stops and third basemen, I can support that, too.
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:08:05 -0700, grossman <SavoyBG.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

>1894
>Pit - Glasscock / Lyons

Glasscock was pretty well done by that point, and Lyons only played 71
games. They weren't together long enough to qualify.



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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:46:28 +0000, claird.TakeThisOut@lairds.us (Cameron Laird)
wrote:

>In article <1184479304.579243.55270.TakeThisOut@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>mrbrklyn <spam-killer.TakeThisOut@nylxs.com> wrote:
>>On Jul 12, 10:53 pm, espon....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>>> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
>>> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
>>> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?

>>Pete Ward and Ron Hansen or the White Sox

>As a fan of the Southsiders during the '60s, I'm
>sympathetic; we're going to have to explain, though,
>what we mean by "better" in this case

You're also going to have to explain how that makes 3 combos.

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On Jul 15, 10:46 am, cla....RemoveThis@lairds.us (Cameron Laird) wrote:
> In article <1184479304.579243.55....RemoveThis@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mrbrklyn <spam-kil....RemoveThis@nylxs.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 12, 10:53 pm, espon....RemoveThis@webtv.net (F R) wrote:
> >> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
> >> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
> >> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?
>
> >> i can't think of any.
>
> >> frank
>
> >Pete Ward and Ron Hansen or the White Sox
>
> As a fan of the Southsiders during the '60s, I'm
> sympathetic; we're going to have to explain, though,
> what we mean by "better" in this case (and how, for
> example, they top the Aurelio Rodriguez-Ed Brinkman
> combination in Detroit, or the more celebrated
> Robinson-Belanger).
>
> If you're coyly making the point that the '60s
> were a time when defense was overvalued for short-
> stops and third basemen, I can support that, too.



They also hit. In fact, it was the core of the offense for a 99 game
winning team.

Ruben
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In article <1184621820.517863.32260 DeleteThis @d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
mrbrklyn <spam-killer DeleteThis @nylxs.com> wrote:
>On Jul 15, 10:46 am, cla... DeleteThis @lairds.us (Cameron Laird) wrote:
>> In article <1184479304.579243.55... DeleteThis @22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> mrbrklyn <spam-kil... DeleteThis @nylxs.com> wrote:
>> >On Jul 12, 10:53 pm, espon... DeleteThis @webtv.net (F R) wrote:
>> >> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
>> >> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
>> >> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?
>>
>> >> i can't think of any.
>>
>> >> frank
>>
>> >Pete Ward and Ron Hansen or the White Sox
>>
>> As a fan of the Southsiders during the '60s, I'm
>> sympathetic; we're going to have to explain, though,
>> what we mean by "better" in this case (and how, for
>> example, they top the Aurelio Rodriguez-Ed Brinkman
>> combination in Detroit, or the more celebrated
>> Robinson-Belanger).
>>
>> If you're coyly making the point that the '60s
>> were a time when defense was overvalued for short-
>> stops and third basemen, I can support that, too.
>
>
>
>They also hit. In fact, it was the core of the offense for a 99 game
>winning team.
>
>Ruben
>

I'm lost. The only years since '17 the ChiSox won
99 (or more) were '83 and '05. Neither the Orioles
nor the Tigers won exactly 99 in any year of the
'60s and '70s. I don't understand which team you
have in mind, nor who might have been the core of
that team's offense.

I *think* you might be thinking of 1964, when the
White Sox won 98, Hansen had easily his best full
season with good fielding and an OPS+ of 115, and
Pete Ward's OPS+ of 129 completed a two-year stretch
in which he was ninth and sixth in league MVP voting.
I quite agree that they were the offensive leaders of
the team for that one year.

Their peaks were MUCH narrower than those of Jeter-
Rodriguez, Banks-Santo, and so on.
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On Jul 12, 9:53 pm, espon... RemoveThis @webtv.net (F R) wrote:
> assuming they stay together for a few more years... has there ever been
> 3 better combos playing at the same time than jeter-arod,
> ramirez-cabrera and reyes-wright?
>
> i can't think of any.
>
> frank

Well, if you're comparing them to the way these guys hit, I doubt it'd
even be close. For a long time, SS was so much more of a fielding
first position that you really don't find many competitors for guys
like Jetere and Reyes without going back a while. Even 3B was more of
a fielder's position for a time.

At the time, combos like Robinson/Belanger were considered to be very
good, but their hitting numbers aren't even close to what we're seeing
today.

Marty
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