re-signing Chavez?

> Shooty Canseco wrote:
> > Saw in the SF Comicle today that Chavez may be signed before spring
> > training starts. Anyone wann aguess the odds of that actually
> > happening?
>
> I say 80% before start of season.

Call it a gut feeling, but I think you're right.

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with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
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The Dave? <no.TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote:
> Saw in the SF Comicle today that Chavez may be signed before spring
> training starts. Anyone wann aguess the odds of that actually
> happening?

> --
> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
> with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
> - Galileo Galilei

Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
As.

Brandon tingley
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"Brandon Tingley" <tingley.RemoveThis@origo.phys.au> wrote in message
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> Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
> was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
> left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
> As.

Agreed. There were reasons for not signing Tejada and Giambi during their
final spring trainings in Oakland. There are no similar reasons for Chavez.

Here's hoping we sign Chavez.

Shooty
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Brandon Tingley wrote:

> The Dave? <no.DeleteThis@no.com> wrote:
>
>>Saw in the SF Comicle today that Chavez may be signed before spring
>>training starts. Anyone wann aguess the odds of that actually
>>happening?
>
>
>>--
>>I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>>with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
>>- Galileo Galilei
>
>
> Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
> was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
> left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
> As.

Neither does Chavy, although his OBP is slightly above MLB average.
I don't think a .400+ OBP is in his future, but perhaps a .300
average w/ 40+ HRs.

The other thing next year is that Dye's contract is up, freeing
$14M.
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y_p_w <y_p_w RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ajiZb.1078$yZ1.633@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Brandon Tingley wrote:
>
> > The Dave? <no RemoveThis @no.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Saw in the SF Comicle today that Chavez may be signed before spring
> >>training starts. Anyone wann aguess the odds of that actually
> >>happening?
> >
> >
> >>--
> >>I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
> >>with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
> >>- Galileo Galilei
> >
> >
> > Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
> > was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
> > left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
> > As.
>
> Neither does Chavy, although his OBP is slightly above MLB average.
> I don't think a .400+ OBP is in his future, but perhaps a .300
> average w/ 40+ HRs.
>
> The other thing next year is that Dye's contract is up, freeing
> $14M.

I'll be more than surprised if the Schott regime even makes an offer
to Chavez or to Dye. Why should we expect a leopard to change its
spots? Schott runs a farm system for big-spending owners. Watch the
pitching staff go, too. How do you trade an owner who wrecks the
ballclub for one who supports it?
--Russ
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y_p_w <y_p_w.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:


> Brandon Tingley wrote:

>> The Dave? <no.TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Saw in the SF Comicle today that Chavez may be signed before spring
>>>training starts. Anyone wann aguess the odds of that actually
>>>happening?
>>
>>
>>>--
>>>I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>>>with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
>>>- Galileo Galilei
>>
>>
>> Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
>> was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
>> left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
>> As.

> Neither does Chavy, although his OBP is slightly above MLB average.
> I don't think a .400+ OBP is in his future, but perhaps a .300
> average w/ 40+ HRs.

> The other thing next year is that Dye's contract is up, freeing
> $14M.

Another thing to think about is this:

Giambi, while MVP, was not clearly the best at his position.
He was especially weak defensively.

Tejeda, while MVP, was definitely not the best at his position.

Chavez is young, healthy, and the best at his position in the AL.
He is still improving and very strong defensively. That makes him
the type of guy Beane will open the checkbook for.

Brandon Tingley
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Brandon Tingley <tingley DeleteThis @origo.phys.au> wrote in message news:<c152u1$99l$1@news.net.uni-c.dk>...
> y_p_w <y_p_w DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Brandon Tingley wrote:
>
> >> The Dave? <no DeleteThis @no.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Saw in the SF Comicle today that Chavez may be signed before spring
> >>>training starts. Anyone wann aguess the odds of that actually
> >>>happening?
> >>
> >>
> >>>--
> >>>I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
> >>>with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
> >>>- Galileo Galilei
> >>
> >>
> >> Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
> >> was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
> >> left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
> >> As.
>
> > Neither does Chavy, although his OBP is slightly above MLB average.
> > I don't think a .400+ OBP is in his future, but perhaps a .300
> > average w/ 40+ HRs.
>
> > The other thing next year is that Dye's contract is up, freeing
> > $14M.
>
> Another thing to think about is this:
>
> Giambi, while MVP, was not clearly the best at his position.
> He was especially weak defensively.
>
> Tejeda, while MVP, was definitely not the best at his position.
>
> Chavez is young, healthy, and the best at his position in the AL.
> He is still improving and very strong defensively. That makes him
> the type of guy Beane will open the checkbook for.

Sure. Still - Chavy isn't a shining example of plate discipline.
He's been quoted in interviews as saying that he doesn't really
believe that patience at the plate suits his game that well.

That being said, Billy Beane has shown that he can look beyond
just his favorite stat. He signed Dye, who could have been
productive if not for the inordinately long recovery from injury.
He went out and got Jose Guillen, who is even further from being
patient at the plate. A certain amount of balance is good.
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> y_p_w wrote:
> > Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
> > was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
> > left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
> > As.
>
> Neither does Chavy, although his OBP is slightly above MLB average.
> I don't think a .400+ OBP is in his future, but perhaps a .300
> average w/ 40+ HRs.

IIRC, Chavez has publicly disagreed with (denounced?) the Beane OBP
philosophy. He's not willing to take walks, etc.

While I would like to keep him, I'm still very much put off with his
absolutely pathetic batting (if you can call it that) during the recent
ALDS, and his whining over some perceived gesture by a Red Sox player
after the series was over. His attention should have been turned
inward and focused on his own abysmal lack of production.

--
"Through pride we are ever deceiving ourselves. But deep down below the
surface of the average conscience a still, small voice says to us,
'Something is out of tune.'" - - - Carl Gustav Jung
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"The Dave©" <no.TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote in message
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> > y_p_w wrote:
> > > Heard all along, when they let Tejeda and Giambi go, that Chavez
> > > was the one they wanted to keep. Market was too high when Giambi
> > > left and Tejeda doesn't exactly follow the OBS philosophy of the
> > > As.
> >
> > Neither does Chavy, although his OBP is slightly above MLB average.
> > I don't think a .400+ OBP is in his future, but perhaps a .300
> > average w/ 40+ HRs.
>
> IIRC, Chavez has publicly disagreed with (denounced?) the Beane OBP
> philosophy. He's not willing to take walks, etc.
>
> While I would like to keep him, I'm still very much put off with his
> absolutely pathetic batting (if you can call it that) during the recent
> ALDS, and his whining over some perceived gesture by a Red Sox player
> after the series was over. His attention should have been turned
> inward and focused on his own abysmal lack of production.

Though it seems like insanity to say it, a part of me can only agree. We
need players to get over the hump, and into october proper.

Then again, we need the players to get us there in the first place too.

We know Chavvy can do April to Sept, but that October thing keeps niggling
at me. For me, this led me to feel less unhappy than I expected when Miggy
went.

Shane, London, UK


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> "Through pride we are ever deceiving ourselves. But deep down below the
> surface of the average conscience a still, small voice says to us,
> 'Something is out of tune.'" - - - Carl Gustav Jung
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"Richard Biniek" <biniek.TakeThisOut@intercomm.com> wrote in message
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> I did find it strange that nobody brought this up before.............that
> Chavez is hardly the prototype Billy Beane OBP type player.

Beane drafted Chavez tenth overall in 1996. Beane promoted Chavez to the
bigs in 1998, and installed him as a full-timer in 1999. Now Beane wants to
make Chavez the richest Athletic by signing him to a long-term deal.

Given the above, Chavez MUST be a Billy Beane type player. The problem is
that many people oversimplify Beane's approach.

Shooty
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> Shooty Canseco wrote:

> "Richard Biniek" <biniek.DeleteThis@intercomm.com> wrote in message
> news:4036f601_1@corp.newsgroups.com...
>
> > I did find it strange that nobody brought this up
> > before.............that Chavez is hardly the prototype Billy Beane
> > OBP type player.
>
> Beane drafted Chavez tenth overall in 1996. Beane promoted Chavez to
> the bigs in 1998, and installed him as a full-timer in 1999. Now
> Beane wants to make Chavez the richest Athletic by signing him to a
> long-term deal.
>
> Given the above, Chavez MUST be a Billy Beane type player. The
> problem is that many people oversimplify Beane's approach.

Is the weed extra good this morning?

--
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
- Galileo Galilei
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