scoring question

Alice Faber wrote:
> Wasn't there a play toward the end of last season where someone hit a
> home run and blew out his knee around second base and a pinch runner
> completed the round trip?

Yeah, I think Graffanino of the Red Sox hit a HR. The baserunner Gabe
Kapler ruptured his achilles rounding the bases. So they had to send in
a pinch runner in the middle of the play to complete it. Of course,
Graffanino had to wait for this before he could cross home plate too.
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John Gregory wrote:
> So if it's ruled murder in the first degree, or even mere voluntary
> manslaughter, the team's just plain out of luck?

Looks like it. Obviously, premeditated is not an "accident", so if
someone went Tonya Harding on a baserunner, this rule does not apply.
=)

Although I suppose if he had a runner before or after him, the other
runner could drag him around the bases. No rule about that, right?
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"Bucky" <uw_badgers.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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> TheDave© wrote:
>> If a baseball player hits a home run over the fence, but then dies
>> before he can run around the bases, does the home run count?
>> (for fun, semi tongue-in-cheek)
>
> I believe so:
>
> Major League Baseball Official Rule 5.10(c)(1):
>
> If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to
> a base
> to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field,
> or an
> award of one or more bases, a substitute runner shall be permitted to
> complete
> the play

What if it's *not* an accident that prevents him from proceeding around the
basepaths? What if he commits suicide between 2nd and 3rd?



brink
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"Bucky" <uw_badgers.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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> John Gregory wrote:
>> So if it's ruled murder in the first degree, or even mere voluntary
>> manslaughter, the team's just plain out of luck?
>
> Looks like it. Obviously, premeditated is not an "accident", so if
> someone went Tonya Harding on a baserunner, this rule does not apply.
> =)
>
> Although I suppose if he had a runner before or after him, the other
> runner could drag him around the bases. No rule about that, right?

Couldn't drag him if he was preceding, you'd have to push. Can't pass
another runner.

Perry

>
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Tom MacIntyre <tom__macintyre RemoveThis @hotmail.com> trolled:
>
> >If he swung at the bullet, and hit it, how did the bullet go on to
> >hit him? Did he foul it off his foot? And was his heart in his
> >foot? And more importantly, did he play before Roger Clemens came
> >along?

> Bullet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ash baseball bat...it went through the bat and hit
> him in the head.

Must have been a powerful bullet. We've never had a problem driving
off .45 and 9 mm. shells.

cordially, as always,

rm
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Steve <smalpert.TakeThisOut@hackmit.edu> writes:

>More importantly, though, if he swung at it first, it's still a strike,
>not a HBP.

Shouldn't that be HBB (hit by bullet), though?

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"brink" <brink.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote...
> What if it's *not* an accident that prevents him from proceeding around
> the basepaths? What if he commits suicide between 2nd and 3rd?

What if the batter simply refuses to round the bases? Like Bartleby, he
simply would prefer not to.

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:22:15 -0500, Bob Roman wrote:

> What if the batter simply refuses to round the bases? Like Bartleby, he
> simply would prefer not to.

Affectionately known as the "God Rule"

9.01 (c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically
covered in these rules. (d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any
player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for
unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person
from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is
in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further
action is possible in that play.
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"WJR" <abcofficialsunlimited.TakeThisOut@gmail.comxyz> wrote...
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:22:15 -0500, Bob Roman wrote:
>> What if the batter simply refuses to round the bases? Like Bartleby, he
>> simply would prefer not to.
>
> Affectionately known as the "God Rule"
> 9.01 (c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically
> covered in these rules. (d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any
> player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for
> unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person
> from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is
> in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further
> action is possible in that play.

"If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the
disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible
in that play."

So if the ball is over the fence and the player stands at home and simply
says "I prefer not to" move, is the play "in progress"? If so, how can
Bartleby be disqualified under rule 9.01(d)?

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:32:24 -0500, Bob Roman wrote:

> "WJR" <abcofficialsunlimited.RemoveThis@gmail.comxyz> wrote...
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:22:15 -0500, Bob Roman wrote:
>>> What if the batter simply refuses to round the bases? Like Bartleby, he
>>> simply would prefer not to.
>>
>> Affectionately known as the "God Rule"
>> 9.01 (c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically
>> covered in these rules. (d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any
>> player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for
>> unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person
>> from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is
>> in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further
>> action is possible in that play.
>
> "If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the
> disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible
> in that play."
>
> So if the ball is over the fence and the player stands at home and simply
> says "I prefer not to" move, is the play "in progress"? If so, how can
> Bartleby be disqualified under rule 9.01(d)?

Yes, and while he is walking back to the bench, the play is still in
progress, his substitute runner takes the trot. Same as if the
batter-runner was knocked dead cold and was unable to be moved from play.
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"Bob Roman" <robertjroman.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "brink" <brink.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote...
>> What if it's *not* an accident that prevents him from proceeding around
>> the basepaths? What if he commits suicide between 2nd and 3rd?
>
> What if the batter simply refuses to round the bases? Like Bartleby, he
> simply would prefer not to.

You eject him and get another runner.
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"Bob Roman" <robertjroman.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "WJR" <abcofficialsunlimited.DeleteThis@gmail.comxyz> wrote...
>> On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:22:15 -0500, Bob Roman wrote:
>>> What if the batter simply refuses to round the bases? Like Bartleby, he
>>> simply would prefer not to.
>>
>> Affectionately known as the "God Rule"
>> 9.01 (c) Each umpire has authority to rule on any point not specifically
>> covered in these rules. (d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any
>> player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for
>> unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified
>> person
>> from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play
>> is
>> in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further
>> action is possible in that play.
>
> "If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the
> disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible
> in that play."
>
> So if the ball is over the fence and the player stands at home and simply
> says "I prefer not to" move, is the play "in progress"? If so, how can
> Bartleby be disqualified under rule 9.01(d)?

Because the ball is dead.
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