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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:44 am
Post subject: scoring question that's been buggin me...
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should be a can o corn to a venerated group of baseball fans such as dwells
in these parts...
when pitchers "share" a base on balls (i.e. pitcher A delivers a 2-1 count
and manager brings in reliever mid-atbat, and pitcher B proceeds to throw a
ball, a strike, and a ball), the reliever gets the benefit of the doubt and
will not be charged with the BB--that would go to pitcher A.
but in the crazy hypothetical situation where a manager has pitcher A
deliver ball one of an at-bat, then brings in pitcher B to deliver ball two,
strike one, ball three, strike two, and then brings in pitcher C to deliver
ball four... scorer's discretion?
then of course there's the strictly academic hypothetical of four pitchers
delivering four balls of an at-bat, and who would get the BB for that... |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:27 am
Post subject: Re: scoring question that's been buggin me... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"brink" <noemail RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2jfomvF10dj5gU2 RemoveThis @uni-berlin.de>...
> should be a can o corn to a venerated group of baseball fans such as dwells
> in these parts...
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> when pitchers "share" a base on balls (i.e. pitcher A delivers a 2-1 count
> and manager brings in reliever mid-atbat, and pitcher B proceeds to throw a
> ball, a strike, and a ball), the reliever gets the benefit of the doubt and
> will not be charged with the BB--that would go to pitcher A.
>
> but in the crazy hypothetical situation where a manager has pitcher A
> deliver ball one of an at-bat, then brings in pitcher B to deliver ball two,
> strike one, ball three, strike two, and then brings in pitcher C to deliver
> ball four... scorer's discretion?
>
> then of course there's the strictly academic hypothetical of four pitchers
> delivering four balls of an at-bat, and who would get the BB for that...
Unless the second pitcher is injured, he must finish the at bat
according to rule 3.05(b) - unless he can retire the side without
retiring the batter (a pickoff or caught steal would suffice). The
same batter would then start his at bat the next inning with a new
count (0-0).
3.05 (b) If the pitcher is replaced, the substitute pitcher shall
pitch to the batter then at bat, or any substitute batter, until such
batter is put out or reaches first base, or until the offensive team
is put out, unless the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness
which, in the umpire in chief's judgment, incapacitates him for
further play as a pitcher. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:41 am
Post subject: Re: scoring question that's been buggin me... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"brink" <noemail DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2jfomvF10dj5gU2 DeleteThis @uni-berlin.de>...
> should be a can o corn to a venerated group of baseball fans such as dwells
> in these parts...
>
> when pitchers "share" a base on balls (i.e. pitcher A delivers a 2-1 count
> and manager brings in reliever mid-atbat, and pitcher B proceeds to throw a
> ball, a strike, and a ball), the reliever gets the benefit of the doubt and
> will not be charged with the BB--that would go to pitcher A.
>
> but in the crazy hypothetical situation where a manager has pitcher A
> deliver ball one of an at-bat, then brings in pitcher B to deliver ball two,
> strike one, ball three, strike two, and then brings in pitcher C to deliver
> ball four... scorer's discretion?
The scoring rules assume that there are at most two pitchers involved
with any plate appearance, because the only way the second guy could
be removed would be if he got hurt.
Looking at the rule that covers these situations, 10.18(h), I would
say that the middle pitcher would get charged with the walk. 10.18
(h)(1) lists the counts where the first pitcher gets charged with the
walk:
2-0
2-1
3-0
3-1
3-2
In your hypothetical, the first pitcher left a 1-0 count. That's not
on the list, so he's off the hook. The last pitcher inherited a 3-2
count, which is on the list, so that leaves the middle guy to take the
blame.
I would say charge it to the first pitcher who leaves one of the
above-listed hitter's counts. The only time that might get tricky
would be if the second pitcher inherited a 2-0 count, got the count to
2-2, then hurt himself throwing ball 3.
> then of course there's the strictly academic hypothetical of four pitchers
> delivering four balls of an at-bat, and who would get the BB for that... >> Stay informed about: scoring question that's been buggin me... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:23 pm
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On 18 Jun 2004 13:14:03 GMT, savoybg.RemoveThis@aol.com (SavoyBG) wrote:
>>From: "brink" noemail.RemoveThis@hotmail.com
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>>but in the crazy hypothetical situation where a manager has pitcher A
>>deliver ball one of an at-bat, then brings in pitcher B to deliver ball two,
>>strike one, ball three, strike two, and then brings in pitcher C to deliver
>>ball four... scorer's discretion?
>
>Can't happen unless pitcher B suffers an injury. Once he's brought into the
>game he must either finish the plate apperance of at least the first batter he
>faces, or retire the side (pickoff, caught stealing for the third out).
>
In Dick Williams' book, he told of a time when he wrote Nolan Ryan's
name on the lineup card absent-mindedly, on a day after he had just
started, and Ryan had to pitch to 1 batter because of this.
Tom >> Stay informed about: scoring question that's been buggin me... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:56 pm
Post subject: marquee hall of Famer: ha! I was right back in 1993! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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grabiner.RemoveThis@alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) wrote in message news:<u7ju3cp8f.fsf.RemoveThis@alumni.princeton.edu>...
> "brink" <noemail.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes:
In article <cuz.738230565.RemoveThis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>, Cousin It writes:
> grabiner.RemoveThis@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner) writes:
> |In article <1993May23.102927.27152.RemoveThis@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, kenton yee writes:
> |> MY DEFINITION one more time:
> |> A marquee hofer is a player
> |> who can add about 12 wins TO AN AVERAGE TEAM
> |> if he replaced
> |> an AVERAGE player on that team.
> |> This has always been my "dictionary" definition.
> |If this is your definition, the question we are asking is whether any
> |such players have ever existed, and if there were, who are they?
> |It's reasonable to say that Babe Ruth came close to that level in
> |1920-1921. Mike Schmidt was probably worth 7-8 wins in 1981, which
> |projects to 10-12 for a 162-game season.
> Babe Ruth being worth 10-12 games, possibly. But...
Barry Bonds = Marquee Hall of Famer >> Stay informed about: scoring question that's been buggin me... |
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