Just release Castillo

"Mary1973" wrote in message

On Dec 24, 12:16 pm, "blackje...@aol.com" wrote:
> Mets are worried about Castillo's contract but what he's paid is more
> than the Yankees pay in luxury tax.

Did you mean "less" than what the Skankees pay in luxury tax?
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"More" and "less" are relative terms in the afterworld.
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>Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
>but what he's paid is more than the
>Yankees pay in luxury tax.

If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
take over at 2nd.

--
"Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
far we've sunk as a culture
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On Dec 25, 12:51 pm, headbanger11... DeleteThis @webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
> >Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
> >but what he's paid is more than the
> >Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> take over at 2nd.
>
> --
> "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> far we've sunk as a culture

Second base is not a position you can just see somebody at. It takes
a lot of work to make a second baseman. If the Mets were serious
about having Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be talking about
him in the OF, they'd be going out and getting an OF. Switching him
there in the middle of the season is asking for disaster.
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:51:38 -0500, Chris ® wrote:

>>Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
>>but what he's paid is more than the
>>Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> take over at 2nd.


they have to pay him anyway. His playing status should be souly based on
his ability to play.

Ruben

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On Dec 25, 3:37 pm, jonathan wrote:
> On Dec 25, 12:51 pm, headbanger11....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> > >Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
> > >but what he's paid is more than the
> > >Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> > If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> > their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> > Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> > elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> > take over at 2nd.
>
> > --
> > "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> > far we've sunk as a culture
>
> Second base is not a position you can just see somebody at.  It takes
> a lot of work to make a second baseman.  If the Mets were serious
> about having Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be talking about
> him in the OF, they'd be going out and getting an OF.  Switching him
> there in the middle of the season is asking for disaster.

Murphy was originally signed as a 3b. Do you think it would be that
hard to
move him to second? He seems to have the range and speed for it,
although
it is hard to tell without seeing him there for any length of time,
admittedly.

That said, I agree, leave Castillo, see if he has worked things out.
Miracles
do happen...

Matt
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On Dec 26, 9:08 am, Matt wrote:
> On Dec 25, 3:37 pm, jonathan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 12:51 pm, headbanger11... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> > > >Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
> > > >but what he's paid is more than the
> > > >Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> > > If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> > > their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> > > Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> > > elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> > > take over at 2nd.
>
> > > --
> > > "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> > > far we've sunk as a culture
>
> > Second base is not a position you can just see somebody at.  It takes
> > a lot of work to make a second baseman.  If the Mets were serious
> > about having Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be talking about
> > him in the OF, they'd be going out and getting an OF.  Switching him
> > there in the middle of the season is asking for disaster.
>
> Murphy was originally signed as a 3b. Do you think it would be that
> hard to
> move him to second? He seems to have the range and speed for it,
> although
> it is hard to tell without seeing him there for any length of time,
> admittedly.
>
> That said, I agree, leave Castillo, see if he has worked things out.
> Miracles
> do happen...
>
> Matt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Third base is a reaction position with very few coverage and cutoff
responsiblities. In all honesty it is the least complicated of the
infield positions to play. It actually requires far less footwork and
agility then first base does, despite conventional wisdom.

That being said, given enough time, it's possible Murphy could be a
good second baseman. What I can guarantee won't work is just moving
him over there in the middle of the season and expecting him to get it.
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On Dec 26, 9:37 am, jonathan wrote:
> On Dec 26, 9:08 am, Matt wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 3:37 pm, jonathan wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 25, 12:51 pm, headbanger11... DeleteThis @webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> > > > >Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
> > > > >but what he's paid is more than the
> > > > >Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> > > > If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> > > > their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> > > > Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> > > > elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> > > > take over at 2nd.
>
> > > > --
> > > > "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> > > > far we've sunk as a culture
>
> > > Second base is not a position you can just see somebody at.  It takes
> > > a lot of work to make a second baseman.  If the Mets were serious
> > > about having Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be talking about
> > > him in the OF, they'd be going out and getting an OF.  Switching him
> > > there in the middle of the season is asking for disaster.
>
> > Murphy was originally signed as a 3b. Do you think it would be that
> > hard to
> > move him to second? He seems to have the range and speed for it,
> > although
> > it is hard to tell without seeing him there for any length of time,
> > admittedly.
>
> > That said, I agree, leave Castillo, see if he has worked things out.
> > Miracles
> > do happen...
>
> > Matt- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Third base is a reaction position with very few coverage and cutoff
> responsiblities.  In all honesty it is the least complicated of the
> infield positions to play.  It actually requires far less footwork and
> agility then first base does, despite conventional wisdom.

True. There have been quite a few that have made the move, but you
are right, its much more about reaction time than range. I was
thinking
that since Murphy is also in the outfield, he's gotta have the range.

>
> That being said, given enough time, it's possible Murphy could be a
> good second baseman.  What I can guarantee won't work is just moving
> him over there in the middle of the season and expecting him to get it.

No argument there. Reminds me of moving second basemen to center
field...

Matt
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On Dec 26, 11:22 am, headbanger11....RemoveThis@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
> >No argument there. Reminds me of
> >moving second basemen to center field...
>
> Murphy is an infielder, not an outfielder, so it's not really a "move".
> He was supposed to sharpen his 2nd base skills in winter ball before he
> got hurt.

I wasn't talking about Murphy

Yes, I agree, that's why the discussion began with the fact that he
started out
as a third baseman. Anyone know if he played college/minor league
second?

Matt
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On Dec 26, 1:17 pm, headbanger11... DeleteThis @webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
> >If the Mets were serious about having
> >Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be
> >talking about him in the OF, they'd be
> >going out and getting an OF. Switching
> >him there in the middle of the season is
> >asking for disaster.
>
> Murphy was a 2nd baseman until the middle of last year, when they
> switched him to the outfield. And I don't for a minute think Omar is
> seriously considering entering the season with a Tatis/Murphy platoon in
> left. That's just free agent negotiation positioning on his part.
>
> --
> "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> far we've sunk as a culture

Murphy played 17 games at 2B in the minors compared to 196 at 3B. I
wouldn't characterize him as a 2B at any point.
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>If the Mets were serious about having
>Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be
>talking about him in the OF, they'd be
>going out and getting an OF. Switching
>him there in the middle of the season is
>asking for disaster.

Murphy was a 2nd baseman until the middle of last year, when they
switched him to the outfield. And I don't for a minute think Omar is
seriously considering entering the season with a Tatis/Murphy platoon in
left. That's just free agent negotiation positioning on his part.

--
"Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
far we've sunk as a culture
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>No argument there. Reminds me of
>moving second basemen to center field...

Murphy is an infielder, not an outfielder, so it's not really a "move".
He was supposed to sharpen his 2nd base skills in winter ball before he
got hurt.

--
"Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
far we've sunk as a culture
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"Matt" wrote in message

On Dec 25, 3:37 pm, jonathan wrote:
> On Dec 25, 12:51 pm, headbanger11... RemoveThis @webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> > >Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
> > >but what he's paid is more than the
> > >Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> > If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> > their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> > Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> > elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> > take over at 2nd.
>
> > --
> > "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> > far we've sunk as a culture
>
> Second base is not a position you can just see somebody at. It takes
> a lot of work to make a second baseman. If the Mets were serious
> about having Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be talking about
> him in the OF, they'd be going out and getting an OF. Switching him
> there in the middle of the season is asking for disaster.

Murphy was originally signed as a 3b. Do you think it would be that
hard to
move him to second? He seems to have the range and speed for it,
although
it is hard to tell without seeing him there for any length of time,
admittedly.

That said, I agree, leave Castillo, see if he has worked things out.
Miracles
do happen...

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If he works very hard, Daniel Murphy can become a serviceable LF'er or
1B-man. There is no way he can be, even a mediocre 2B-man. When did you see
Murphy play 2B with range and speed for *that* position?
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On Dec 26, 3:54 pm, "POPS" wrote:
> "Matt" wrote in message
>
>
> On Dec 25, 3:37 pm, jonathan wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 12:51 pm, headbanger11....TakeThisOut@webtv.net (Chris ®) wrote:
>
> > > >Mets are worried about Catillo's contract
> > > >but what he's paid is more than the
> > > >Yankees pay in luxury tax.
>
> > > If the Mets did that, it means they'd be committing over $19 million to
> > > their 2009 payroll for people who will never play for them (Wagner,
> > > Castillo). That's just not realistic. I'd rather keep Castillo and spend
> > > elsewhere, living with Castillo until he sucks enough to allow Murphy to
> > > take over at 2nd.
>
> > > --
> > > "Ever since the 60's, it's been all downhill" - Keith Hernandez, on how
> > > far we've sunk as a culture
>
> > Second base is not a position you can just see somebody at. It takes
> > a lot of work to make a second baseman. If the Mets were serious
> > about having Murphy play there, they wouldn't even be talking about
> > him in the OF, they'd be going out and getting an OF. Switching him
> > there in the middle of the season is asking for disaster.
>
> Murphy was originally signed as a 3b. Do you think it would be that
> hard to
> move him to second? He seems to have the range and speed for it,
> although
> it is hard to tell without seeing him there for any length of time,
> admittedly.
>
> That said, I agree, leave Castillo, see if he has worked things out.
> Miracles
> do happen...
>
> ======================================================
>
> If he works very hard, Daniel Murphy can become a serviceable LF'er or
> 1B-man. There is no way he can be, even a mediocre 2B-man. When did you see
> Murphy play 2B with range and speed for *that* position?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bottom line is Murphy played 2nd base in the Arizona Fall League. Omar
saw enough of Murphy at 2nd base to keep Castillo on the roster.
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