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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:55 pm
Post subject: Not playing the good teams well
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Easy to sweep Tampa and earn a split at home with Texas (rolling eyes), but
this team is still not playing well enough to beat the top teams in the AL.
The pitching staff is stretched thin and maybe getting Schilling back will
help. But the hitting is still a problem. Don't throw number at me, they're
not getting the hits when they need them and they pull out games anymore. A
good almost-comeback today, but again, short.
What I'd like to see:
Dump Pena, whereever, however, for a case of balls.
Dump Drew, or at least bench him unless it's a harvest moon.
Trade for somebody who can hit, even it's just a rent-a-bat for the season.
Put Lugo in cleanup;)
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Not playing the good teams well [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:33:27 +0000, OceanView, during a pipe dream
babbled:
> Easy to sweep Tampa and earn a split at home with Texas (rolling eyes), but
> this team is still not playing well enough to beat the top teams in the AL.
>
> The pitching staff is stretched thin and maybe getting Schilling back will
> help. But the hitting is still a problem.
Pitching is not the issue.
> Don't throw number at me, they're
> not getting the hits when they need them and they pull out games anymore. A
> good almost-comeback today, but again, short.
The offense has not been scoring like it should recently. One thing I've
noticed is that there seems to be a lack of plate discipline - especially
with Manny and Ortiz who are normally very patient. But I don't think you
are going to fix it with anything but time. Sure you can fiddle around at
the edges by getting rid of Pena. But are you really going to find a
player to make a significant impact? A lot of people are down on Drew -
but who are you going to get who is better without giving up prospects?
You don't empty out the farms when you are leading the division by 10
games and have the best record in baseball.
> What I'd like to see:
>
> Dump Pena, whereever, however, for a case of balls.
> Dump Drew, or at least bench him unless it's a harvest moon.
> Trade for somebody who can hit, even it's just a rent-a-bat for the season.
> Put Lugo in cleanup;)
Pena is not a fit with the Red Sox - they need to get rid of
him, but if they don't bring up a pitcher to replace Bailey there is an
opportunity for a kid to play, so it isn't an urgent thing. As far as
benching Drew, the time for that has passed now that he is hitting. You
are not going to find someone who will be significantly better.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Not playing the good teams well [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jul 8, 2:33 pm, OceanView <m... DeleteThis @TheSea.com> wrote:
> Easy to sweep Tampa and earn a split at home with Texas (rolling eyes), but
> this team is still not playing well enough to beat the top teams in the AL.
>
> The pitching staff is stretched thin and maybe getting Schilling back will
> help.
I think Schill returning will help. I'm sure his performance will be
better than it was pre-injury and he's also an emotional leader.
But the hitting is still a problem. Don't throw number at me, they're
> not getting the hits when they need them and they pull out games anymore. A
> good almost-comeback today, but again, short.
Yep - couldn't say it any better. We're not getting those big, clutch
hits. Manny down looking, Ortiz looking terrible on a K, and
Drew...being Drew.
>
> What I'd like to see:
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> Dump Pena, whereever, however, for a case of balls.
Hell, I'd be happy just to get rid of him, bag of balls or not.
> Dump Drew, or at least bench him unless it's a harvest moon.
God, it's tough to watch him. He is absolutely terrible. Did we
really sign him to a 5 year deal prior to this season? Please tell me
that was just a bad dream.
> Trade for somebody who can hit, even it's just a rent-a-bat for the season.
> Put Lugo in cleanup;)
Yes!  Lugo was a nice highlight today, in an otherwise frustrating
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Not playing the good teams well [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:51:21 -0400, "Fred Burton"
<fburton DeleteThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote:
>What I
>do think is that the Sox need the spark, the energy that he brought when he
>was on the field. The club has seemed a bit listless of late and a young
>player
>or 2 with some youthful energy might be just the ticket to getting the Sox
>re-energized.
He gave the team a spark because he was playing. It won't work with
him on the bench. Plus, a spark like that doesn't last long in my
opinion.
What the team needs to give it a spark is the starters scoring more
runs. That's more important than who's on the bench.
Crying about Pena's at-bats when he plays sparingly is not important
in the big picture. And if he plays and gets a triple, you really
can't expect more than that from a bench player. And today, he was a
victim of a great defensive play. >> Stay informed about: Not playing the good teams well |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:23 pm
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"Gary" <golferace2.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pc23939djh5deftcrtsh3frco04qhq84fn@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:51:21 -0400, "Fred Burton"
> <fburton.DeleteThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
>
>>What I
>>do think is that the Sox need the spark, the energy that he brought when
>>he
>>was on the field. The club has seemed a bit listless of late and a young
>>player
>>or 2 with some youthful energy might be just the ticket to getting the Sox
>>re-energized.
>
> He gave the team a spark because he was playing. It won't work with
> him on the bench. Plus, a spark like that doesn't last long in my
> opinion.
>
> What the team needs to give it a spark is the starters scoring more
> runs. That's more important than who's on the bench.
I think that the point is that like an engine that needs a spark to get
started,
I think that the Red Sox offense needs a spark to get itself started. I
don't
think that it will happen in the reverse. >> Stay informed about: Not playing the good teams well |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:50 am
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Gary <golferace2.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in
news:pc23939djh5deftcrtsh3frco04qhq84fn@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:51:21 -0400, "Fred Burton"
> <fburton.DeleteThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:
>
>>What I
>>do think is that the Sox need the spark, the energy that he brought when
he
>>was on the field. The club has seemed a bit listless of late and a young
>>player
>>or 2 with some youthful energy might be just the ticket to getting the
Sox
>>re-energized.
>
> He gave the team a spark because he was playing. It won't work with
> him on the bench. Plus, a spark like that doesn't last long in my
> opinion.
>
> What the team needs to give it a spark is the starters scoring more
> runs. That's more important than who's on the bench.
>
> Crying about Pena's at-bats when he plays sparingly is not important
> in the big picture. And if he plays and gets a triple, you really
> can't expect more than that from a bench player. And today, he was a
> victim of a great defensive play.
>
>
The main problem with Pena is that he's a defensive liability, not that he
either strikes out (mostly) or smashes one (rarely). Yes, he got robbed
today, but it wouldn't change my opinion if he hadn't. There are better
options, even in the minors.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:56 am
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eric <eric.DeleteThis@local.net> wrote in
news:pan.2007.07.08.21.05.18.467235@local.net:
>> The pitching staff is stretched thin and maybe getting Schilling back
>> will help. But the hitting is still a problem.
>
> Pitching is not the issue.
No, I wasn't saying it was, but there are a couple of concerns. Schilling,
obviously, Tavarez, who was holding his own, is now faltering again,
Wakefield cant seem to last more than five innings. Taken together, it could
spell trouble. I think it will work out, but it bears watching.
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