First three pitchers taken in a draft

maybe Jason Schmidt, maybe Javier Vazquez or Kevin Brown now that their in
New York.


"Excallqmv" <excallqmv.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >I think that in most leagues Prior, Schilling, and Halladay will be the
first
> >three pithcers drafted. Who concevibly is better than those three? Pedro
and
> >R.J. are of course better but too injury prone to be taken ahead of the
above
> >three.
>
> Conceivably a lot of people might be better. Likely? Not so many. I
would
> tend to put Pedro ahead of Schilling, since I don't think injury is any
greater
> a threat for Pedro than Curt, and Pedro's a good deal younger.
>
> I don't know who else I'd throw in that mix. Hudson, maybe Mulder.
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In article <NMednafge8DdNYfd4p2dnA DeleteThis @adelphia.com>,
Matthew Whelan <whelan DeleteThis @playoutloud.net> wrote:
>maybe Jason Schmidt, maybe Javier Vazquez or Kevin Brown now that their in
>New York.

Not sure here. I don't think Schmidt has quite established himself at that
top-3 level yet. And Brown is an aging pitcher who relies on inducing
ground balls--while stuck in front of one of the worst infield defenses
around. (Not that he won't still be valuable--just not vintage-Brown
valuable.)

Vasquez, though, is pretty intriguing. Very strong peripheral numbers, and
he's moving from offense-crazy Montreal/San Juan to a more offense-neutral
Yankee Stadium. He just might be up there. And while we're talking
Yankees, don't count out Mussina; I think he's often underrated.

I'd say these are my top 5, in no particular order:

Pedro
Prior
Schilling
Vasquez
Mussina

with possibly Halladay or Wood (if it's a 5x5 league) right around there.

Pete

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>> >I think that in most leagues Prior, Schilling, and Halladay will be the
>first
>> >three pithcers drafted. Who concevibly is better than those three? Pedro
>and
>> >R.J. are of course better but too injury prone to be taken ahead of the
>above
>> >three.
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>maybe Jason Schmidt, maybe Javier Vazquez or Kevin Brown now that their in
>New York.

Vasquez didn't have all that great a year last year. I had him on one of my
teams and was pretty disappointed with him. Putting him on the Yanks will
increase his wins, but I don't see him improving in Ks, ERA or ratio.

As for Schmidt and Brown, I don't like pitchers with any kind of arm/injury
question unless they have bounced back for a year or two, like Schilling.

I like, in order, Prior, Schilling, Halladay, Wood, Martinez and then Hudson.
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trijcomm.TakeThisOut@cs.com (Trijcomm) wrote in message news:<20040205121403.19949.00001396.TakeThisOut@mb-m17.news.cs.com>...
> >maybe Jason Schmidt, maybe Javier Vazquez or Kevin Brown now that their in
> >New York.
>
> Vasquez didn't have all that great a year last year. I had him on one of my
> teams and was pretty disappointed with him. Putting him on the Yanks will
> increase his wins, but I don't see him improving in Ks, ERA or ratio.
>
> As for Schmidt and Brown, I don't like pitchers with any kind of arm/injury
> question unless they have bounced back for a year or two, like Schilling.
>
> I like, in order, Prior, Schilling, Halladay, Wood, Martinez and then Hudson.

You were disappointed with Vazquez? His ERA, WHIP, and K:BB ratio were
all very good. His W-L record was not good, that should improve. His
ERA and WHIP should stay about constant. Adding the DH will hurt him,
going to a better ballpark will help him, particularily since his big
problem has been homeruns.

The way Schmidt finished 2003 and the way he's been in 2004, he's
established himself very well in my mind. I'd rank them:

Prior, Schmidt, Schilling, Pedro, Halladay, Vazquez, Hudson, then
Wood.

Schilling should also be helped immensley by his new ballpark, where
it is very hard to hit homeruns, which was his biggest problem.
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"Spivey McSpivey" <spivey_ballgame.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> trijcomm.RemoveThis@cs.com (Trijcomm) wrote in message
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> > >maybe Jason Schmidt, maybe Javier Vazquez or Kevin Brown now that their
in
> > >New York.
> >
> > Vasquez didn't have all that great a year last year. I had him on one of
my
> > teams and was pretty disappointed with him. Putting him on the Yanks
will
> > increase his wins, but I don't see him improving in Ks, ERA or ratio.
> >
> > As for Schmidt and Brown, I don't like pitchers with any kind of
arm/injury
> > question unless they have bounced back for a year or two, like
Schilling.
> >
> > I like, in order, Prior, Schilling, Halladay, Wood, Martinez and then
Hudson.
>
> You were disappointed with Vazquez? His ERA, WHIP, and K:BB ratio were
> all very good. His W-L record was not good, that should improve. His
> ERA and WHIP should stay about constant. Adding the DH will hurt him,
> going to a better ballpark will help him, particularily since his big
> problem has been homeruns.
>
> The way Schmidt finished 2003 and the way he's been in 2004, he's
> established himself very well in my mind. I'd rank them:
>
> Prior, Schmidt, Schilling, Pedro, Halladay, Vazquez, Hudson, then
> Wood.
>
> Schilling should also be helped immensley by his new ballpark, where
> it is very hard to hit homeruns, which was his biggest problem.

But Fenway is still a very good hitters' park (of course, so was BOB).
Schilling may give up fewer HR but he will give up more doubles -- and he
will have to face the DH.

On average, the AL has scored about 0.25 more runs per game than the NL in
recent seasons. And that's even with Enron and Coors (probably the two best
hitters' parks in baseball) being in the NL. Schilling will be great
relative to other AL pitchers, but his raw numbers will not improve.

Schilling will not be helped immensely, except by a good offense. His wins
will be up, but he will have a hard time keeping his ERA under 3.20.
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"Ben Edelman" <obiwan26 RemoveThis @yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message news:<YnYUb.20863$EH5.19507@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
> "Spivey McSpivey" <spivey_ballgame RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > trijcomm RemoveThis @cs.com (Trijcomm) wrote in message
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> > > >maybe Jason Schmidt, maybe Javier Vazquez or Kevin Brown now that their
> in
> > > >New York.
> > >
> > > Vasquez didn't have all that great a year last year. I had him on one of
> my
> > > teams and was pretty disappointed with him. Putting him on the Yanks
> will
> > > increase his wins, but I don't see him improving in Ks, ERA or ratio.
> > >
> > > As for Schmidt and Brown, I don't like pitchers with any kind of
> arm/injury
> > > question unless they have bounced back for a year or two, like
> Schilling.
> > >
> > > I like, in order, Prior, Schilling, Halladay, Wood, Martinez and then
> Hudson.
> >
> > You were disappointed with Vazquez? His ERA, WHIP, and K:BB ratio were
> > all very good. His W-L record was not good, that should improve. His
> > ERA and WHIP should stay about constant. Adding the DH will hurt him,
> > going to a better ballpark will help him, particularily since his big
> > problem has been homeruns.
> >
> > The way Schmidt finished 2003 and the way he's been in 2004, he's
> > established himself very well in my mind. I'd rank them:
> >
> > Prior, Schmidt, Schilling, Pedro, Halladay, Vazquez, Hudson, then
> > Wood.
> >
> > Schilling should also be helped immensley by his new ballpark, where
> > it is very hard to hit homeruns, which was his biggest problem.
>
> But Fenway is still a very good hitters' park (of course, so was BOB).
> Schilling may give up fewer HR but he will give up more doubles -- and he
> will have to face the DH.
>
> On average, the AL has scored about 0.25 more runs per game than the NL in
> recent seasons. And that's even with Enron and Coors (probably the two best
> hitters' parks in baseball) being in the NL. Schilling will be great
> relative to other AL pitchers, but his raw numbers will not improve.
>
> Schilling will not be helped immensely, except by a good offense. His wins
> will be up, but he will have a hard time keeping his ERA under 3.20.

We'll have to see how it plays out. Over the last 4 or so years,
Fenway has been basically neutral, prior to last year. I figure it
will go back closer to neutral this season. Also, different players
are helped by different amounts by a ballpark. I grant he could give
up more doubles, but his homeruns should go down considerably, and I
think his ERA will be more or less unaffected, possibly a little
lower.

I guess I overstated, but for switching to the AL, not having a worse
ERA is nice.
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"Spivey McSpivey" <spivey_ballgame.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I like, in order, Prior, Schilling, Halladay, Wood, Martinez and then
Hudson.

> Prior, Schmidt, Schilling, Pedro, Halladay, Vazquez, Hudson, then
> Wood.

Hmmm...I'd go with:
1. Halladay
2. Prior
3. Martinez
4. Johnson
5. Mussina
6. Vazquez
7. Schmidt
8. Mulder

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