Who's the better pitcher?

> If I had to rank them, I'd go:
>
> 1. Clemens
> 2. Pedro
> 3. Carpenter
> 4. Peavy
> 5. Halladay
> 6. Willis

I think Halliday is better than Carpenter. Carpenter has had a great couple
of years, but that's about it.

Best over the next 5 years:

Willis
Halliday
Peavy
Pedro
Carpenter
Clemens

Best stats this season:

Clemens
Pedro
Carpenter
Halliday
Willis
Peavy

If I needed one of them to start a game 7 this year:

Clemens
Pedro
Halliday
Willis
Carpenter
Peavy
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:22:24 -0700, john.vampatella wrote:

> Clemens - 11-6, 1.56 era, 8.18 k/9, 0.93 whip Carpenter - 18-4, 2.34 era,
> 8.16 k/9, 0.97 whip Halladay - 12-4, 2.41 era, 6.86 k/9, 0.96 whip Pedro -
> 13-5, 2.77 era, 9.00 k/9, 0.89 whip Willis - 17-8, 2.67 era, 6.25 k/9,
> 1.13 whip Peavy - 11-6, 2.97 era, 10.03 k/9, 1.00 whip
>
> They've all been tremendous, of course. Pedro's k/9, whip, and w/l beat
> Clemens, but Rajah's era is more than a full run less. Carpenter,
> meanwhile, has stellar era, k/9, and whip numbers, plus a phenomenal w/l
> record. Halladay has been injured, or his record would be even better.
> Willis has excellent all around numbers. And Peavy - dominant k/9 stats.
>

It is interesting that of the bunch only Halliday is from the AL. To me
that is very impressive, and I'd have to wonder if he would have the best
numbers of all if he pitched in the NL.
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:25:01 -0400, eric <eric RemoveThis @balder.local> wrote:

>It is interesting that of the bunch only Halliday is from the AL. To me
>that is very impressive, and I'd have to wonder if he would have the best
>numbers of all if he pitched in the NL.

I beleive so. Clemens's last couple of years was not close to last
year, never mind this season. Same with Pedro. I think pitching in the
NL is an advantage.
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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:49:25 -0400, Gary <golferace2.RemoveThis@comcast.net>
quacked:

>On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:25:01 -0400, eric <eric.RemoveThis@balder.local> wrote:
>
>>It is interesting that of the bunch only Halliday is from the AL. To me
>>that is very impressive, and I'd have to wonder if he would have the best
>>numbers of all if he pitched in the NL.
>
>I beleive so. Clemens's last couple of years was not close to last
>year, never mind this season. Same with Pedro. I think pitching in the
>NL is an advantage.

No doubt the NL is an advantage for ERA (not for wins and only a
slight advantage for IPs). On average, it is worth 1/2 a run for ERA.
Hard to say what it is worth at the very top.

Pedro has better numbers this year than last, but last year was his
worst full year as a RS, so an upswing was to be expected. Still,
Pedro's "bad" numbers from last year would still make him the best
pitcher on the RS this year.

Clemens is too much better this year from his NYY years for NL to be
the full explanation.
--McDuck
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> Clemens - 11-6, 1.56 era, 8.18 k/9, 0.93 whip
> Carpenter - 18-4, 2.34 era, 8.16 k/9, 0.97 whip
> Halladay - 12-4, 2.41 era, 6.86 k/9, 0.96 whip
> Pedro - 13-5, 2.77 era, 9.00 k/9, 0.89 whip
> Willis - 17-8, 2.67 era, 6.25 k/9, 1.13 whip
> Peavy - 11-6, 2.97 era, 10.03 k/9, 1.00 whip
>
> They've all been tremendous, of course. Pedro's k/9, whip, and w/l
> beat Clemens, but Rajah's era is more than a full run less. Carpenter,
> meanwhile, has stellar era, k/9, and whip numbers, plus a phenomenal
> w/l record. Halladay has been injured, or his record would be even
> better. Willis has excellent all around numbers. And Peavy - dominant
> k/9 stats.
>
> If I had to rank them, I'd go:
>
> 1. Clemens
> 2. Pedro
> 3. Carpenter
> 4. Peavy
> 5. Halladay
> 6. Willis
>
> John
> PS - I agreed with the Sox letting Pedro go, given the contract the
> Mets offered. But boy, wouldn't it be nice running him out there every
> 5th day right now? Ugh.

WHIP is actually my favorite quick-and-dirty stat for looking at pitchers.
ERA ends up being fairly dependent on the park, bullpen and the defense. To
me, a pitcher with a dominant WHIP is just not giving the opposition many
chances to do real damage with the occasional blast or blooper that falls
in. K/9 is my 2nd favorite stat. I like Peavy, but for me it's Pedro.

I know that the FO's mantra is payroll flexibility and it wouldn't be much
fun to pay anyone $14 million for projected injury/ineffectiveness at the
back end of a contract, but sometimes that championship window is only open
so long (and $130 million player development machines aren't guaranteed to
work.) Perhaps the FO had its worries about Schilling and couldn't imagine
paying $30 million/yr. for injured pitchers. We may never know the whole
Pedro-leaving story, but nobody can argue that he wouldn't look fantastic at
the top of the Sox rotation right about now.
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