On Jul 9, 5:09 pm, Homer Welch <hjw... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> SkippyPB wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 12:12 pm, Monkey <n... DeleteThis @spam.net> wrote:
>
> >>In article <ctu193h86aslm9hqjafo261m0pgovbq... DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
>
> >> SkippyPB <swieg... DeleteThis @nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >>>When the Phillies lose their next game, it will be their 10,000th loss
> >>>in team history.
>
> >>>Detroit is now 940-999 against the Red Sox.
>
> >>>That's a lot of baseball!
>
> >>>Regards,
> >>> ////
> >>> (o o)
> >>>-oOO--(_)--OOo-
>
> >>>"I wanted to do something nice so I bought my mother-in-law a chair.
> >>>Now they won't let me plug it in."
> >>>--Henry Youngman
> >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> >>>Remove nospam to email me.
>
> >>>Steve
>
> >>where did you get that stat --- I would like to know how many total
> >>losses and wins other teams have
>
> >>--
> >>
|)
>
> >>Chew 'em up Tigers
>
> > For the Tigers vs Red Sox, it is now 941-999!
>
> > The Tigers vs Red Sox totals were noted in an ESPN.COM story about
> > their win on Friday. The Phillies totals were given on Sports Center
> > on ESPN that I saw on Saturday morning. Phillies are still holding at
> > 9999 loses.
>
> > You can see franchise records for all teams at:
>
> >http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/
>
> > The Tigers, BTW, are 8368-8151 since they began in 1907. The Phillies
> > began in 1883.
>
> Actually, Detroit's first season in the American
> League was in 1901. They were an original member
> of the League. Before that, they took over the
> Cincinnati's franchise in the National League in
> 1881. Cincinnati was expelled from the league for
> refusing to ban alcohol at its games. Detroit
> lasted in the National League through 1888 and won
> the 1887 'World Series' against the American
> Association St. Louis team in 15 games. (See The
> Great Encyclopedia of 19th Century Major League
> Baseball:Penguin Books:New York:1997).
That may be true (you should inform the keeper of the MLB Tigers
website of that fact, because they have the Tigers starting play in
1901 and the keepers of baseballreference.com as well as they also
have the Tigers starting play in 1901.
MLB came into being 107 years ago when the American and National
leagues combined. Indeed the National league began play in 1887. The
National League operated with six clubs during 1877 and 1878. Over the
next several years, teams came and went except for the stable Boston
and Chicago entries as the league struggled. When all eight
participants for 1881 returned for 1882, the first off season without
turnover in members, the "circuit" was two nearly straight lines
between the anchor cities, with Detroit, Buffalo, Troy, and Worcester
on the northern route; Providence and Cleveland constituting its
south.
The American Association began play in 1882.
After the 1891 season, the A.A. disbanded and merged with the N.L.,
which became known legally for the next decade as the "National League
and American Association". The teams now known as the Cincinnati Reds,
Los Angeles Dodgers (in Brooklyn) and Pittsburgh Pirates (as well as
the now defunct Cleveland Spiders) had already switched from the A.A.
to the N.L. prior to 1892. With the merger the N.L. absorbed the team
now known as the St. Louis Cardinals, along with three other teams
which did not survive into the 20th century. While four teams from the
A.A. moved to the N.L. and remain there today, only two original N.L.
franchises remain in the league: the Chicago Cubs and Atlanta Braves
(then in Boston). Since the NL's formation, the Cubs are the only team
to play continuously in the same city.
The original eight charter teams were the following:
* Athletic of Philadelphia from National Association, expelled
after 1876 season
* Boston Red Stockings (some say Red Caps) from National
Association (now the Atlanta Braves)
* Chicago White Stockings from National Association (now the
Chicago Cubs)
* Cincinnati Red Stockings new franchise, expelled after 1880
season
* Hartford Dark Blues (later the Brooklyn Hartfords) from National
Association, folded after 1877 season
* Louisville Grays new franchise, folded after 1877 season
* Mutual of New York from National Association, expelled after
1876 season
* St. Louis Brown Stockings from National Association, folded
after 1877 season
Other franchises, 1878-1891
Joined in 1878
* Indianapolis Blues, folded after 1878
* Milwaukee Grays, folded after 1878
* Providence Grays, folded after 1885
Joined in 1879
* Buffalo Bisons, folded after 1885
* Cleveland Blues, folded after 1884
* Syracuse Stars, folded after 1879
* Troy Trojans, folded after 1882
Joined in 1880
* Worcester Worcesters, folded after 1882
Joined in 1881
* Detroit Wolverines, folded after 1888
Joined in 1883
* New York Giants (now the San Francisco Giants)
* Philadelphia Phillies
Joined in 1885
* St. Louis Maroons, joined from U.A., folded after 1886
Joined in 1886
* Kansas City Cowboys, folded after 1886
* Washington Nationals, folded after 1889
Joined in 1887
* Indianapolis Hoosiers, folded after 1889
* Pittsburgh Pirates, joined from A.A.
Joined in 1889
* Cleveland Spiders, joined from A.A., folded after 1899
Joined in 1890
* Cincinnati Reds, joined from A.A.
* Brooklyn Dodgers (now the Los Angeles Dodgers), joined from A.A.
Post-AA merger, 1892-1899
In 1892, the National League absorbed the American Association,
bringing in four teams from the A.A., in addition to the four teams
that had switched leagues in the preceding half-decade. From 1892
through 1899, the twelve teams in what, for a time, was termed the
"National League and American Association" were the following:
* Baltimore Orioles joined from A.A. in 1892, contracted after
1899
* Boston Beaneaters (now the Atlanta Braves), N.L. charter member,
originated in N.A.
* Brooklyn Dodgers (now the Los Angeles Dodgers), joined from A.A.
in 1890
* Chicago White Stockings or Colts (now the Chicago Cubs), N.L.
charter member, originated in N.A.
* Cincinnati Reds, joined from A.A. in 1890
* Cleveland Spiders, joined from A.A. in 1889, contracted after
1899
* Louisville Colonels, joined from A.A. in 1892, contracted after
1899
* New York Giants (now the San Francisco Giants), enfranchised
1883
* Philadelphia Phillies, enfranchised 1883
* Pittsburgh Pirates, joined from A.A. in 1887
* St. Louis Browns (now the St. Louis Cardinals), joined from A.A.
in 1892
* Washington Senators, joined from A.A. in 1892, contracted after
1899
Classic Eight
After the 1899 season, the league underwent its largest contraction
since 1877, dropping four clubs: the Baltimore Orioles, Cleveland
Spiders, Louisville Colonels, and Washington Senators. This left the
"classic eight" teams of the National League, which would stay in
place for over 50 years:
* Boston Beaneaters (eventually to become known as the Boston
Braves)
* Brooklyn Dodgers
* Chicago White Stockings or Colts (eventually to become known as
the Chicago Cubs)
* Cincinnati Reds
* New York Giants
* Philadelphia Phillies
* Pittsburgh Pirates
* St. Louis Cardinals
So you're statement that Detroit was an original member of the League
is not correct. Also, none of the Wolverines records carried forward
to the Tigers because there is no direct connection between the two
(unlike the Phillies who near 10,000 losses prompted this post).
Regards,
>> Stay informed about: Some mind boggling stats 
FAQ
Search
Profile
Private Messages
Log in/Register/Password
