The all-never-made-the-playoffs team

> On Sep 12, 1:36 am, "brink" <brinknos....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> So who would make your all-time team for players who never made the
> playoffs?

> brink

In addition to Santo, Banks, Jenkins, Bunning how about Dick Allen?
Did Billy Williams ever make the playoffs?
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:36:37 -0600, "brink" <brinknospam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I'm sure a lot of really, really good players -- and maybe even some great
>ones -- had long careers in MLB that never included a single playoff game.
>I just can't think of any, though I confess I don't know much about pre
>divisional play MLB.
>
>So who would make your all-time team for players who never made the
>playoffs?
>
>brink

Ernie Banks
Ron Santo
Ferguson Jenkins
Jim Bunning

get you off to a good start.
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:38:11 -0700, powrwrap <powrwrap.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:

>> On Sep 12, 1:36 am, "brink" <brinknos....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So who would make your all-time team for players who never made the
>> playoffs?
>
>> brink
>
>In addition to Santo, Banks, Jenkins, Bunning how about Dick Allen?
>Did Billy Williams ever make the playoffs?
>

Allen - '76 Phils
Williams - '75 A's
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Cap Anson
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge.RemoveThis@paccbell.net> wrote...
> Cap Anson

Cap Anson played in the 1885 and 1886 World Series, both times against the
St. Louis Browns of the American Association.

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> On Sep 12, 10:07 am, Steve Grant <ACE1....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:38:11 -0700, powrwrap <powrw....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:

> >In addition to Santo, Banks, Jenkins, Bunning how about Dick Allen?
> >Did Billy Williams ever make the playoffs?

> Allen - '76 Phils
> Williams - '75 A's

My memory is going to heck.
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Jim Lemon? (mid-late 50's)
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Steve Grant <ACE1242 DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:

>Ernie Banks
>Ron Santo
>Ferguson Jenkins
>Jim Bunning

Among HOFers with substantial post 1902 careers, you also have:

Luke Appling
Jack Chesbro
Rick Ferrell
Elmer Flick
Harry Heilmann
Addie Joss
George Kell
Ralph Kiner
Nap Lajoie
Ted Lyons
George Sisler
Bobby Wallace

There's no natural center fielder, but apart from that you can put
together a pretty good starting lineup from that list. The
competetion at shortstop is going to be fierce.

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> Steve Grant <ACE1242 DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:
>
>>Ernie Banks
>>Ron Santo
>>Ferguson Jenkins
>>Jim Bunning
>
> Among HOFers with substantial post 1902 careers, you also have:
>
> Luke Appling
> Jack Chesbro
> Rick Ferrell
> Elmer Flick
> Harry Heilmann
> Addie Joss
> George Kell
> Ralph Kiner
> Nap Lajoie
> Ted Lyons
> George Sisler
> Bobby Wallace
>
> There's no natural center fielder, but apart from that you can put
> together a pretty good starting lineup from that list. The
> competetion at shortstop is going to be fierce.

Great list. To make it even tougher: how about the
all-never-made-the-playoffs team made up up of players only from the
divisional era of play? This one is much more of a challenge as obviously
so many more teams are making the playoffs now, esp since 1995. Players
like Halladay and Vernon Wells spring to mind as they've been stuck with the
mediocre-to-bad Blue Jays their entire careers. I'd bet both make the
playoffs at some time later though...

brink
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This is a hard to list come up with. Many good players would not sit
on a very bad team for long and would end up getting traded to a
playoff contender.
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John_Brian_K wrote:
> This is a hard to list come up with. Many good players would not sit
> on a very bad team for long and would end up getting traded to a
> playoff contender.
>
Yes, but prior to free agency they had no choice.
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brink wrote:
> I'm sure a lot of really, really good players -- and maybe even some great
> ones -- had long careers in MLB that never included a single playoff game.
> I just can't think of any, though I confess I don't know much about pre
> divisional play MLB.
>
> So who would make your all-time team for players who never made the
> playoffs?
>

I won't suggest names here, but I think it's necessary to at least
divide the players whose careers were played mostly or entirely before
divisional play in 1969, and it may also be worth dividing the players
whose careers are predominantly in the wild-card era.

Otherwise, the list is very heavy with pre-1969 players.

This is why I get so annoyed with discussion of player "lifetime
postseason records" -- because so many more players are now accumulating
postseason records, there's really no comparison between the records of
the current players and the pre-1969 players.

Even if a current player has better lifetime postseason stats than, say,
Berra, Mantle or Ford, the difference is that all of the stats
accumulated by Berra, Mantle and Ford were done in the World Series.

The postseason records accumulated by today's players are an
accomplishment, but if you do apples-to-apples, and compare only the
World Series accomplishments of today's players, they're pretty meager
compared to the old guys, especially the guys who played with the
Yankees between 1949 and 1964, when the Yankees were in the World Series
nearly every year.

Smith
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On Sep 12, 12:16 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo... DeleteThis @paccbell.net> wrote:
> John_Brian_K wrote:
> > This is a hard to list come up with. Many good players would not sit
> > on a very bad team for long and would end up getting traded to a
> > playoff contender.
>
> Yes, but prior to free agency they had no choice.

I didnt think of that. When did free agency come around?
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