How low can Lugo go?

<mrl.RemoveThis@psfc.mit.edu> wrote in message
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> Going .160 over the last 7 games, Lugo is in a tight race for the
> lowest batting average among MLB shortstops. He's now lowered his
> average to .214, which is good for 2nd to last place, one behind CHW's
> Urbe's .209. "This is why I came to the Red Sox, to see what it's
> like to be in a real race", he was quoted as saying. "I owe my
> present success to learning from people like Coco Crisp". Coco
> himself is doing a great job, have lowered his average to .238 (.190
> over o the last 7 games)., good for 3rd to last place among qualified
> outfielders.
>

Where is Donnie Sadler when we need him - better defense, more versatile,
just as fast, hits just as well - and is a lot cheaper.
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On Jun 10, 8:57 am, "Srgnt Billko" <f....TakeThisOut@blipl.net> wrote:
> <m....TakeThisOut@psfc.mit.edu> wrote in message
>
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> > Going .160 over the last 7 games, Lugo is in a tight race for the
> > lowest batting average among MLB shortstops. He's now lowered his
> > average to .214, which is good for 2nd to last place, one behind CHW's
> > Urbe's .209. "This is why I came to the Red Sox, to see what it's
> > like to be in a real race", he was quoted as saying. "I owe my
> > present success to learning from people like Coco Crisp". Coco
> > himself is doing a great job, have lowered his average to .238 (.190
> > over o the last 7 games)., good for 3rd to last place among qualified
> > outfielders.
>
> Where is Donnie Sadler when we need him - better defense, more versatile,
> just as fast, hits just as well - and is a lot cheaper.

Actually, Orlando Cabrera woulda, shoulda. I saw on the T-v (Baseball
Tonight or Sports Center?) how OC is better than Jeter at the plate
this year. BTW - I am aware of Sarge's love of Sadler and other no-
hit-all-field diminutive utility infielders.

I wonder if Tavarez can play short? He's more productive at the plate
than Julio Renteria II. Seriously though, Lugo needs to start hitting
and fast. He's been a major rally killer.

Here's one for ya:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~samcat/goodbyenewfriend.jpg
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"LiveAndDieWithTheSox" <DennyDoylesClutchSingle.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> On Jun 10, 8:57 am, "Srgnt Billko" <f....DeleteThis@blipl.net> wrote:
>> <m....DeleteThis@psfc.mit.edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181461048.011637.148150@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Going .160 over the last 7 games, Lugo is in a tight race for the
>> > lowest batting average among MLB shortstops. He's now lowered his
>> > average to .214, which is good for 2nd to last place, one behind CHW's
>> > Urbe's .209. "This is why I came to the Red Sox, to see what it's
>> > like to be in a real race", he was quoted as saying. "I owe my
>> > present success to learning from people like Coco Crisp". Coco
>> > himself is doing a great job, have lowered his average to .238 (.190
>> > over o the last 7 games)., good for 3rd to last place among qualified
>> > outfielders.
>>
>> Where is Donnie Sadler when we need him - better defense, more versatile,
>> just as fast, hits just as well - and is a lot cheaper.
>
> Actually, Orlando Cabrera woulda, shoulda. I saw on the T-v (Baseball
> Tonight or Sports Center?) how OC is better than Jeter at the plate
> this year. BTW - I am aware of Sarge's love of Sadler and other no-
> hit-all-field diminutive utility infielders.
>
> I wonder if Tavarez can play short? He's more productive at the plate
> than Julio Renteria II. Seriously though, Lugo needs to start hitting
> and fast. He's been a major rally killer.
>

Except for his RBIs.
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
babbled:


> Except for his RBIs.

I wonder how many more RBIs Ortiz and Manny would have if Lugo was on base
more often. I'd bet if you looked their numbers would be seriously down
from last year.

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Quis corriget ipsos correctores?
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eric <eric.RemoveThis@local.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
>babbled:
>
>
>> Except for his RBIs.
>
>I wonder how many more RBIs Ortiz and Manny would have if Lugo was on base
>more often. I'd bet if you looked their numbers would be seriously down
>from last year.
>

I still can't figure out why Francona keeps Lugo - and sometimes, Crisp,
at the top of the lineup. It would make more sense to put high OBP guys,
like Youk & Drew, at the top. Putting Lugo at the top is even more stupid
than when Jimy Williams stuck, as he put it, "the prototype of a leadoff
hitter", Darren Lewis, at the top for a couple of years.
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:29:01 +0000, O'Reilly, during a pipe dream babbled:

> eric <eric.TakeThisOut@local.net> wrote:
>> [quoted text muted]
> I still can't figure out why Francona keeps Lugo - and sometimes, Crisp,
> at the top of the lineup. It would make more sense to put high OBP guys,
> like Youk & Drew, at the top. Putting Lugo at the top is even more stupid
> than when Jimy Williams stuck, as he put it, "the prototype of a leadoff
> hitter", Darren Lewis, at the top for a couple of years.

I am just hoping that either Crisp or Lugo or both turn their seasons
around. I think we can carry one of them since everyone else is hitting
now, but we really need one of them to hit.

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"eric" <eric RemoveThis @local.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
> babbled:
>
>
>> Except for his RBIs.
>
> I wonder how many more RBIs Ortiz and Manny would have if Lugo was on base
> more often. I'd bet if you looked their numbers would be seriously down
> from last year.
>
> --
You DO realize that Lugo some how, has more RBI than Manny? And
Youks...Surprising isn't it? Maybe he IS hitting in the wrong position.
Clean-up might be a better spot. 34 RBI while leading off most of the time.
Chew on that one...
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"eric" <eric DeleteThis @local.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
> babbled:
>
>
> > Except for his RBIs.

No. Period. How many times recently has he come up with the bases loaded and
failed? How many times with runners on base and done nothing. How many more
times has he failed miserably to start a rally for the guys batting after
him. He has been nothing short of pathetic at the plate and he should be
batting 8th or 9th. We have to hope he starts hitting because he isn't going
anywhere else.
However, Crisp can and should be replaced.

> I wonder how many more RBIs Ortiz and Manny would have if Lugo was on base
> more often. I'd bet if you looked their numbers would be seriously down
> from last year.
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:57:06 GMT, "Srgnt Billko" <frrt.RemoveThis@blipl.net>
wrote:

>
><mrl.RemoveThis@psfc.mit.edu> wrote in message
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>> Going .160 over the last 7 games, Lugo is in a tight race for the
>> lowest batting average among MLB shortstops. He's now lowered his
>> average to .214, which is good for 2nd to last place, one behind CHW's
>> Urbe's .209. "This is why I came to the Red Sox, to see what it's
>> like to be in a real race", he was quoted as saying. "I owe my
>> present success to learning from people like Coco Crisp". Coco
>> himself is doing a great job, have lowered his average to .238 (.190
>> over o the last 7 games)., good for 3rd to last place among qualified
>> outfielders.
>>
>
>Where is Donnie Sadler when we need him - better defense, more versatile,
>just as fast, hits just as well - and is a lot cheaper.

I'll never forget when the statheads started coming out with the new
defensive metrics a few years ago--and Sadler had great numbers at
just about every position he played. It's too bad he never learned
how to hit, or draw more walks, because he was definitely a terrific
defensive player, and not a bad guy to have on certain rosters as an
all-purpose 25th man.

-Bismo.
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"O'Reilly" <98546 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> eric <eric RemoveThis @local.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
> >babbled:
> >
> >
> >> Except for his RBIs.
> >
> >I wonder how many more RBIs Ortiz and Manny would have if Lugo was on
base
> >more often. I'd bet if you looked their numbers would be seriously down
> >from last year.
> >
>
> I still can't figure out why Francona keeps Lugo - and sometimes, Crisp,
> at the top of the lineup. It would make more sense to put high OBP guys,
> like Youk & Drew, at the top. Putting Lugo at the top is even more stupid
> than when Jimy Williams stuck, as he put it, "the prototype of a leadoff
> hitter", Darren Lewis, at the top for a couple of years.

This is true and it is why I can't be a Francona fan.
>
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Gnork " it is why I can't be a Francona fan" or a Jimy fan or a Little
fan or a fan of any manager.The only person who is capable of doing a
great job of managing the Sox is Mr Beisbol himself.
Now Google says in a moment of weakness in Oct 04 the Gnork thought
otherwise and complimented Tito for a job well done and even suggested
an extension of his contract. Oh well that was then and this is now.

"Sweet Lou"
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:30:52 GMT, "gnork" <gnork44.DeleteThis@earthlink.net>
wrote:

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>"eric" <eric.DeleteThis@local.net> wrote in message
>news:pan.2007.06.10.13.28.12.740269@local.net...
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
>> babbled:
>>
>>
>> > Except for his RBIs.
>
>No. Period. How many times recently has he come up with the bases loaded and
>failed?

I believe he has come up with bases loaded 12 times this year with
four hits and a couple sac flies. That is a very respectable
performance IMO.

> How many times with runners on base and done nothing.

He is third on the team in RBIs. He must be doing something with
runners on base. You have selective perception and only remember times
that he fails.



> How many more
>times has he failed miserably to start a rally for the guys batting after
>him. He has been nothing short of pathetic at the plate and he should be
>batting 8th or 9th.

I have no problem keeping him where he is. We have the best record in
baseball and if it works don't fix it. I predict Lugo, like Drew, will
start hitting and you guys can bash someone else.

RC



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>> eric <eric.RemoveThis@local.net> wrote:
>> >On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:23:53 +0000, Srgnt Billko, during a pipe dream
>> >babbled:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Except for his RBIs.
>> >
>> >I wonder how many more RBIs Ortiz and Manny would have if Lugo was on
> base
>> >more often. I'd bet if you looked their numbers would be seriously down
>> >from last year.
>> >
>>
>> I still can't figure out why Francona keeps Lugo - and sometimes, Crisp,
>> at the top of the lineup. It would make more sense to put high OBP guys,
>> like Youk & Drew, at the top. Putting Lugo at the top is even more stupid
>> than when Jimy Williams stuck, as he put it, "the prototype of a leadoff
>> hitter", Darren Lewis, at the top for a couple of years.
>
> This is true and it is why I can't be a Francona fan.
>>
>
They are paying Lugo all that money to lead off. Francona will make the
front office look bad if he moves him. He won't do that--he has a nice soft
job he wants to keep.
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