Okay, I'll state the obvious

On Jun 27, 2:54 pm, Sam Hutcheson <s....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> The Braves need to sign Barry Bonds. The only limiting factor -
> salary - has been effectively removed. Bonds has stated he is willing
> to play for league minimum - what they're paying Gregor Blanco - and
> that he'll even donate that to charity. Greg Norton is the team's
> starting left fielder.
>
> There is no reason other than collusion for Bonds not to be playing in
> MLB now. There is no team that needs him notably more than Atlanta.
>
> s/


Amen
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On Jun 27, 4:48 pm, Dale Hicks <dgh1....TakeThisOut@southernbell.com> wrote:
> In article <2uia6495bar2mg1glctndc1buiscu9k....TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
> GhostofGeneral....TakeThisOut@gmail.com says...
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>
>
>
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> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0700 (PDT), Sam Hutcheson
> > <s....TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > >The Braves need to sign Barry Bonds.  The only limiting factor -
> > >salary - has been effectively removed.  Bonds has stated he is willing
> > >to play for league minimum - what they're paying Gregor Blanco - and
> > >that he'll even donate that to charity.  Greg Norton is the team's
> > >starting left fielder.
>
> > To hell with Bonds.  The Braves need him like they need another
> > pitcher on the DL.
>
> > >There is no reason other than collusion for Bonds not to be playing in
> > >MLB now.  
>
> > Yeah there is, his attitude and the possibility of losing him to a
> > prison league team.
>
> And you replace him with .... the stiffs already playing?  Surely
> Norton has options left.  This isn't a valid argument.

Brandon Jones most certianly does.

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On Jun 27, 4:50 pm, "rgplotner" <rgplotnerNOSpama....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sam Hutcheson" <s....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> news:8aeb0d7e-ac06-4b60-a8bb-5c2e2250be86@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> > The Braves need to sign Barry Bonds.  The only limiting factor -
> > salary - has been effectively removed.  Bonds has stated he is willing
> > to play for league minimum - what they're paying Gregor Blanco - and
> > that he'll even donate that to charity.  Greg Norton is the team's
> > starting left fielder.
>
> > There is no reason other than collusion for Bonds not to be playing in
> > MLB now.  There is no team that needs him notably more than Atlanta.
>
> > s/
>
> Well, they could wait until Matt Diaz comes back. Or they could re-imagine
> themselves, move Kelly Johnson back to left and field a real secondbaseman
> at second.

What is wrong with KJ at 2B? If it's just swapping KJ for Infante or
Norton at 2B I fail to see the point.

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In article <2uia6495bar2mg1glctndc1buiscu9kuj9.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
GhostofGeneralLee.DeleteThis@gmail.com says...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:54:27 -0700 (PDT), Sam Hutcheson
> <samh.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >The Braves need to sign Barry Bonds. The only limiting factor -
> >salary - has been effectively removed. Bonds has stated he is willing
> >to play for league minimum - what they're paying Gregor Blanco - and
> >that he'll even donate that to charity. Greg Norton is the team's
> >starting left fielder.
>
> To hell with Bonds. The Braves need him like they need another
> pitcher on the DL.
>
> >There is no reason other than collusion for Bonds not to be playing in
> >MLB now.
>
> Yeah there is, his attitude and the possibility of losing him to a
> prison league team.

And you replace him with .... the stiffs already playing? Surely
Norton has options left. This isn't a valid argument.

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Sam Hutcheson" <samh RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:8aeb0d7e-ac06-4b60-a8bb-5c2e2250be86@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> The Braves need to sign Barry Bonds. The only limiting factor -
> salary - has been effectively removed. Bonds has stated he is willing
> to play for league minimum - what they're paying Gregor Blanco - and
> that he'll even donate that to charity. Greg Norton is the team's
> starting left fielder.
>
> There is no reason other than collusion for Bonds not to be playing in
> MLB now. There is no team that needs him notably more than Atlanta.
>
> s/

Well, they could wait until Matt Diaz comes back. Or they could re-imagine
themselves, move Kelly Johnson back to left and field a real secondbaseman
at second.


Robert
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"rgplotner" <rgplotnerNOSpamalot RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sam Hutcheson" <samh RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:8aeb0d7e-ac06-4b60-a8bb-5c2e2250be86@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> The Braves need to sign Barry Bonds. The only limiting factor -
>> salary - has been effectively removed. Bonds has stated he is willing
>> to play for league minimum - what they're paying Gregor Blanco - and
>> that he'll even donate that to charity. Greg Norton is the team's
>> starting left fielder.
>>
>> There is no reason other than collusion for Bonds not to be playing in
>> MLB now. There is no team that needs him notably more than Atlanta.
>>
>> s/
>
> Well, they could wait until Matt Diaz comes back. Or they could re-imagine
> themselves, move Kelly Johnson back to left and field a real secondbaseman
> at second.
>
>
> Robert

As much as I would hate to see Bonds in Atlanta, I would support this move
if it did get Kelly away from second base.
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"Sam Hutcheson" <samh.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>What is wrong with KJ at 2B? If it's just swapping KJ for Infante or
Norton at 2B I fail to see the point.<<

I can't speak to KJ's defense this season, not having seen him. But the team
goes into tonight leading the league in ERA, so either he's not hurting that
much, or the team has the leeway to accept his defense if it means getting
an offensive bat at a defensive position.

As we learned with Chipper, moving an infielder to the outfield will not
automatically make him a better hitter.

Colin
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"Colin William" <colintwilliam DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Sam Hutcheson" <samh DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote
>>>What is wrong with KJ at 2B? If it's just swapping KJ for Infante or
> Norton at 2B I fail to see the point.<<
>
> I can't speak to KJ's defense this season, not having seen him. But the
> team goes into tonight leading the league in ERA, so either he's not
> hurting that much, or the team has the leeway to accept his defense if it
> means getting an offensive bat at a defensive position.
>
> As we learned with Chipper, moving an infielder to the outfield will not
> automatically make him a better hitter.
>
> Colin

KJ played left when he first came up and did a good job. He has been well
below average at second. His throws are mostly on target, but any ball that
he has to roam a little and reach will invariably kick off his glove. It is
maddening if you watch the games. I would much rather have Martin Prado at
second when he returns and shift KJ back to left. I don't think his field
position matters to his average, though he does seem to hit better down in
the line-up rather than at the top.


Robert
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT), Sam Hutcheson
<samh DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:

>On Jun 27, 4:24 pm, The Ghost of General Lee
><GhostofGeneral... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To hell with Bonds.  The Braves need him like they need another
>> pitcher on the DL.
>
>Your emotive irraitonalism notwithstanding, the Braves are starting
>Greg Norton and Omar Infante in left. They need Barry Bonds.

Being a fan of a baseball team stems from emotionalism, doesn't it?
Mark my words on this, if the Braves do something as stupid as sign
that ass clown Bonds, I will unsubscribe from this group (though I'll
probably still hang around the coffeeshop) and I will have watched my
last Braves game ever.
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"The Ghost of General Lee" <GhostofGeneralLee DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> Being a fan of a baseball team stems from emotionalism, doesn't it?
> Mark my words on this, if the Braves do something as stupid as sign
> that ass clown Bonds, I will unsubscribe from this group (though I'll
> probably still hang around the coffeeshop) and I will have watched my
> last Braves game ever.

I think it'd be worth it just for the theater of it. Atlanta's baseball beat
writers seem like professions, so I don't think O'Brien or Rogers would
antagonize Bonds the way other writers have. But much more fun would be the
surely diametric teeth-grinding of Furman Bisher and Terence Moore, to be
settled only by a cage match. Meanwhile, the national sports media would try
to create controversies where there are none.

Bonds is certainly the most controversial player out there, but Bobby Cox
managed Gary Sheffield better than any other manager out there, and I think
he could handle Bonds in the clubhouse.

Now note, I'm not convinced Bonds will hit well. A lot of his value is
wrapped up in OBP, and a lot of that derives from pitchers fearing him and
pitching around him. If there's the slightest hint that he's no more than a
mere mortal power threat, I think that OBP will plummet. He could well start
hitting like his age. And his defense is ugly, but my understanding is that
Norton is no gazelle out there. So I think there legit concerns attached to
him, but our GM should at least give him a serious look.

Colin

Colin
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"rgplotner" <rgplotnerNOSpamalot DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote
> KJ played left when he first came up and did a good job. He has been well
> below average at second. His throws are mostly on target, but any ball
> that he has to roam a little and reach will invariably kick off his glove.
> It is maddening if you watch the games. I would much rather have Martin
> Prado at second when he returns and shift KJ back to left. I don't think
> his field position matters to his average, though he does seem to hit
> better down in the line-up rather than at the top.

KJ's a streaky hitter, I don't think it matters what slot, though he may
have difficulties at leadoff. But as maddening as I'm sure his fielding can
be, I'm struggling to see where it's hurting the team so badly that getting
an 800 OPS from your 2B is not worth it.

But again, I'm not able to see games, so it's hard for me to gauge KJ's
defense.

Colin
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Colin William pisze:

> Now note, I'm not convinced Bonds will hit well. A lot of his value is
> wrapped up in OBP, and a lot of that derives from pitchers fearing him and
> pitching around him. If there's the slightest hint that he's no more than a
> mere mortal power threat, I think that OBP will plummet. He could well start
> hitting like his age. And his defense is ugly, but my understanding is that
> Norton is no gazelle out there. So I think there legit concerns attached to
> him, but our GM should at least give him a serious look.

If he's ready to play for the minimum, what Braves have to lose? It's
not that our outfield is rocking.

pzdr

TRad
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