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> DonfromBarre venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
>> Boras is saying at least $32 mil per for ARod?
>
> If Ichiro Suzuki can get $20 million per year, then ARod,
> who may still be able to play shortstop, who's playing a
> good third base this year (from what I've heard), who
> may be approaching 700 home runs in 5 years' time...
> yeah, I can see his getting it.
>
> I find it difficult to wrap my head around -- the mind boggles
> at these numbers -- but it strikes me that the "we keep our
> books closed" owners are likely making money hand-over-fist
> if they're offering Gil Meche $10 million per year and Ichiro
> Suzuki $20 million per year. And if the market is right on
> those players, then yeah, I can imagine ARod's being worth
> $30 million per year. Or at least asking for that. I have
> no idea if he'll get it or not, but if any player is worth
> that much money, Alex Rodriguez might be.
>
> Catch you later.
> --Robert Machemer
>

Has anybody calculated, based one gate receipts alone, what a team like the
Red Sox (who sell out 40k tickets every game) actually pulls in per 81 home
dates? It should be that hard to do. (Not counting all the TV deals
merchandizing and so on. You could probably add, conservatively, 100
million with all that, at least for big market teams.)

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> Boras is saying at least $32 mil per for ARod?
>
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Let's see, Boras cut is what? 5%? What a racket.
The more the merrier.
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"Bob-Nob" <bobnob15.RemoveThis@SPaMol.com> wrote in message
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> DonfromBarre venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
>> Boras is saying at least $32 mil per for ARod?
>
> If Ichiro Suzuki can get $20 million per year, then ARod,
> who may still be able to play shortstop, who's playing a
> good third base this year (from what I've heard), who
> may be approaching 700 home runs in 5 years' time...
> yeah, I can see his getting it.
>
> I find it difficult to wrap my head around -- the mind boggles
> at these numbers -- but it strikes me that the "we keep our
> books closed" owners are likely making money hand-over-fist
> if they're offering Gil Meche $10 million per year and Ichiro
> Suzuki $20 million per year. And if the market is right on
> those players, then yeah, I can imagine ARod's being worth
> $30 million per year. Or at least asking for that. I have
> no idea if he'll get it or not, but if any player is worth
> that much money, Alex Rodriguez might be.
>
> Catch you later.
> --Robert Machemer
>
Hell, Boras is just trying to keep ARod in NY. Just price everybody else out
of the market.
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Gary venit, vidit, et dixit:
> "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15 DeleteThis @SPaMol.com> wrote:

>> I think there are several teams that can -- the Mets, the Red
>> Sox, the Yankees, the Twins, to name a few -- and I think there
>> are several that might -- the Red Sox, the Yankees, to name a
>> few.

> I wouldn't include the Twins. They have their own prospective free
> agent(s) to worry about, headed by Santana.

Pohlad can afford to pay a Santana and a Rodriguez. He chooses
not to do so. (No worries, it's his money he's investing. If
he thinks it's not a worthy investment, who am I to tell him
otherwise? But I don't think we should pretend that he CAN'T
invest that money, even if he shows that he WON'T).

Steinbrenner didn't start off with a huge payroll advantage and
tv contract. He invested a lot of money into improving the
product on the field, and the tv contract came as a result. He
took risks, and they paid off. Yes, the Twins do not have as
large a potential gold mine as the Yankees, but they also have
never shown themselves to be willing to see how rich a gold
mine they actually have. They've been content to play penny-ante
poker and win. Maybe they don't have a chance to win with
larger stakes, but they've never shown a willingness to even try.

If it's too hard to envision the Twins as power brokers, try
the Phillies. Philadelphia is an immense market, and one they
don't have to share with a second team (unlike the Yankees,
the Cubs, or the Dodgers). But they never show any interest
in investing that money in the team, and so they never become
worthy of the big tv contract as a result.

Catch you later.
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> Gary venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15.TakeThisOut@SPaMol.com> wrote:
>
>>> I think there are several teams that can -- the Mets, the Red
>>> Sox, the Yankees, the Twins, to name a few -- and I think there
>>> are several that might -- the Red Sox, the Yankees, to name a
>>> few.
>
>> I wouldn't include the Twins. They have their own prospective free
>> agent(s) to worry about, headed by Santana.
>
> Pohlad can afford to pay a Santana and a Rodriguez. He chooses
> not to do so. (No worries, it's his money he's investing. If
> he thinks it's not a worthy investment, who am I to tell him
> otherwise? But I don't think we should pretend that he CAN'T
> invest that money, even if he shows that he WON'T).

I guess that I'd say that it's not an "investment" in Minnesota.
It's be throwing good money after bad, since no matter how
good the Twins might be, Minnesota is NOT New York City
or LA or Chicago, etc.


>
> Steinbrenner didn't start off with a huge payroll advantage and
> tv contract. He invested a lot of money into improving the
> product on the field, and the tv contract came as a result. He
> took risks, and they paid off. Yes, the Twins do not have as
> large a potential gold mine as the Yankees, but they also have
> never shown themselves to be willing to see how rich a gold
> mine they actually have. They've been content to play penny-ante
> poker and win. Maybe they don't have a chance to win with
> larger stakes, but they've never shown a willingness to even try.

I don't one has to risk a lot of money just to see if the Twins have
a gold mine. I think that the answer is an obvious and emphatic NO.
I think that their ambivalence towards large payrolls is merely a
reflection of knowing their market.

IMHO, the Twins going after Arod wouldn't be much different
than the Strangers' owner doing it years ago.


>
> If it's too hard to envision the Twins as power brokers, try
> the Phillies. Philadelphia is an immense market, and one they
> don't have to share with a second team (unlike the Yankees,
> the Cubs, or the Dodgers). But they never show any interest
> in investing that money in the team, and so they never become
> worthy of the big tv contract as a result.
>
I think that the bigger problem the Phillies have is their small
(dimensions)
stadium, which is more than a little pitcher UN-friendly. They might be
able to assemble a terrifying offensive team, but I think that the Phillies
might have a little trouble building up a decent starting staff, at least
thru
free agency. History seems to show that free agent pitchers do consider
the stadium in which they'll be playing when they decide where to sign.
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> OceanView venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> "John Poutre" <mehatespam.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <DonFromBarre.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote...
>
>>>> Boras is saying at least $32 mil per for ARod?
>
>>> Well, it's what he would be paid next year if he does not opt
>>> out.
>
>> I think there's exactly ONE team that can or would pay that
>> much, and only if they make the playoffs.
>
> I think there are several teams that can -- the Mets, the Red
> Sox, the Yankees, the Twins, to name a few -- and I think there
> are several that might -- the Red Sox, the Yankees, to name a
> few.
>
> According to...
>
> http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004_12_29_mlbcontracts_archive.html
>
> ...the Red Sox currently have a payroll of around $145 million.
> In Clement ($9.5), Hinkse ($2., perhaps Lowell ($9.0), perhaps
> Schilling ($13.0), perhaps Tavarez ($3.1), Pineiro ($4.0), possibly
> Wakefield ($4.0), Timlin ($2., perhaps Donnelly ($1.4), and
> perhaps Mirabelli ($0., the Sox have roughly $50 million coming
> off the books.
>
> More important, almost NONE of the above players are without
> immediate replacement. The Sox have an option on Tavarez for
> $3.8 -- barring injury, I'd guess they keep him. They have an
> option on Wakefield for $4.0 -- I'd guess they keep him too.
> (That may mean they keep Mirabelli as well, but I'd guess that
> they won't -- his year this year is so horrific, that they may
> try to groom another backup and bite the bullet on all the
> passed balls in the short term).
>
> Anyone else? If Donnelly recovers from injury, he'll want
> more than $1.4 million and may well be able to get a huge
> payday elsewhere. The Sox may be interested in bringing
> Schilling back, but other teams may offer more than the
> Sox (who I think are right not to offer $13 million for
> now).
>
> So what does the team look like for next year...
>
> C: Varitek
> 1B: Youkilis
> 2B: Pedroia
> SS: Lugo
> 3B: ???
> LF: Ramirez
> CF: Crisp (Ellsbury?)
> RF: Drew
> DH: Ortiz
>
> bench?: Cora, a catcher, an OF, a corner infielder, someone else?
>
> SP: Beckett, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Buchholz, Lester
> RP: Papelbon, Okajima, Tavarez, Delcarmen, Lopez
>
> others?: Gabbard, Breslow, Pauley, some unsigned vets
>
> Let's say the Sox get ARod for $30 million a year. The
> payroll looks to be roughly the same as it was this year
> and the only major change to the lineup is that you've
> replaced Lowell with Rodriguez.
>
> Incidentally, this is why having players like Youkilis
> and Pedroia during their pre-arbitration years is so
> important. Because you have cheap league-average (or,
> in their case this year, better) production, and you
> can spend the big bucks to fill other holes through
> free agency.
>
> Of course, the Sox don't have to go after Rodriguez.
> But they have a need for a righty bat, they have a
> need for a third baseman, they have a need to improve
> their offense... it'd be crazy not to at least
> consider trying to acquire him, though he may well
> ask for more than they're willing to pay.
>
> The thing is that Lowell is being paid $9 million a year.
> Gary Matthews who has had exactly one good season is
> getting paid more than that and is only 6 months younger.
> (Wow. I was surprised to read that, but it's true). I'll
> be surprised if Lowell can't find someone to pay him $14
> million a year for umpteen years if he doesn't fall off
> too much in the second half -- but that doesn't mean I'd
> want the Sox to pay that, though they might have to if
> they want to sign him as a free agent.
>
> Again, I'm not saying that the Sox should offer ARod
> $30 million. I am saying that I'd consider it if I
> ran the Sox -- I don't see a lot of other third base
> options available right this second, neither in the
> minors, nor in the upcoming free agent market.
>
> Catch you later.
> --Robert Machemer
>
Pineiro for $4 mil.? Those Fenway ticket holders sure are generous.
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> "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15.TakeThisOut@SPaMol.com> wrote in message
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>> OceanView venit, vidit, et dixit:
>>> "John Poutre" <mehatespam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <DonFromBarre.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote...
>>
>>>>> Boras is saying at least $32 mil per for ARod?
>>
>>>> Well, it's what he would be paid next year if he does not opt
>>>> out.
>>
>>> I think there's exactly ONE team that can or would pay that
>>> much, and only if they make the playoffs.
>>
>> I think there are several teams that can -- the Mets, the Red
>> Sox, the Yankees, the Twins, to name a few -- and I think there
>> are several that might -- the Red Sox, the Yankees, to name a
>> few.
>>
>> According to...
>>
>> http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004_12_29_mlbcontracts_archive.html
>>
>> ...the Red Sox currently have a payroll of around $145 million.
>> In Clement ($9.5), Hinkse ($2., perhaps Lowell ($9.0), perhaps
>> Schilling ($13.0), perhaps Tavarez ($3.1), Pineiro ($4.0), possibly
>> Wakefield ($4.0), Timlin ($2., perhaps Donnelly ($1.4), and
>> perhaps Mirabelli ($0., the Sox have roughly $50 million coming
>> off the books.
>>
>> More important, almost NONE of the above players are without
>> immediate replacement. The Sox have an option on Tavarez for
>> $3.8 -- barring injury, I'd guess they keep him. They have an
>> option on Wakefield for $4.0 -- I'd guess they keep him too.
>> (That may mean they keep Mirabelli as well, but I'd guess that
>> they won't -- his year this year is so horrific, that they may
>> try to groom another backup and bite the bullet on all the
>> passed balls in the short term).
>>
>> Anyone else? If Donnelly recovers from injury, he'll want
>> more than $1.4 million and may well be able to get a huge
>> payday elsewhere. The Sox may be interested in bringing
>> Schilling back, but other teams may offer more than the
>> Sox (who I think are right not to offer $13 million for
>> now).
>>
>> So what does the team look like for next year...
>>
>> C: Varitek
>> 1B: Youkilis
>> 2B: Pedroia
>> SS: Lugo
>> 3B: ???
>> LF: Ramirez
>> CF: Crisp (Ellsbury?)
>> RF: Drew
>> DH: Ortiz
>>
>> bench?: Cora, a catcher, an OF, a corner infielder, someone else?
>>
>> SP: Beckett, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Buchholz, Lester
>> RP: Papelbon, Okajima, Tavarez, Delcarmen, Lopez
>>
>> others?: Gabbard, Breslow, Pauley, some unsigned vets
>>
>> Let's say the Sox get ARod for $30 million a year. The
>> payroll looks to be roughly the same as it was this year
>> and the only major change to the lineup is that you've
>> replaced Lowell with Rodriguez.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather keep Lowell, even at 14 million than take Arod
at $30+M

Fred
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bayskater wrote:

>
> Call me crazy, but I'd rather keep Lowell, even at 14 million than take Arod
> at $30+M
>

You're crazy, but I'm with you on that.
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Fred Burton wrote:

>
> Just as when the Sox made
> an apparant mistake in letting go of a player who appeared to thrive in
> the pressure of Fenway (i.e. OC),
>

Why is this the popular memory of OC's time in Boston? I mean, I liked
the guy, and he would have been an improvement over the SS situation in
Boston since he left, but he didn't exactly thrive in Boston. He's sure
doing well this year, and he improved when he came to Boston in 2004,
but "thrive" isn't the word that comes to mind.
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> Fred Burton wrote:
>
>>
>> Just as when the Sox made
>> an apparant mistake in letting go of a player who appeared to thrive in
>> the pressure of Fenway (i.e. OC),
>
> Why is this the popular memory of OC's time in Boston? I mean, I liked
> the guy, and he would have been an improvement over the SS situation in
> Boston since he left, but he didn't exactly thrive in Boston. He's sure
> doing well this year, and he improved when he came to Boston in 2004, but
> "thrive" isn't the word that comes to mind.

I meant that he seemed to thrive on the pressure, not that he was a
spectacular
player, in terms of exceptional production. We all know or should know that
not every player can adapt to high pressure northeast baseball. And I think
that
Theo should factor this into his calculations when deciding who to keep, who
to
go after, etc.
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> Fred Burton wrote:
>
>>
>> Just as when the Sox made
>> an apparant mistake in letting go of a player who appeared to thrive in
>> the pressure of Fenway (i.e. OC),
>>
>
> Why is this the popular memory of OC's time in Boston? I mean, I liked
> the guy, and he would have been an improvement over the SS situation in
> Boston since he left, but he didn't exactly thrive in Boston. He's sure
> doing well this year, and he improved when he came to Boston in 2004,
> but "thrive" isn't the word that comes to mind.
>

He had good defense and some key hits, but he was no Arod with the bat.

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In <Xns996BACA2E6C7Fbobnob15aolcom.TakeThisOut@207.217.125.201>, Bob-Nob wrote:

> Pohlad can afford to pay a Santana and a Rodriguez.  He chooses
> not to do so.  (No worries, it's his money he's investing.  If
> he thinks it's not a worthy investment, who am I to tell him
> otherwise?  But I don't think we should pretend that he CAN'T
> invest that money, even if he shows that he WON'T).
>
> Steinbrenner didn't start off with a huge payroll advantage and
> tv contract.  He invested a lot of money into improving the
> product on the field, and the tv contract came as a result.

The population of the New York CMSA is nearly 22 million, while that
of Minneapolis-St. Paul is under three million. I think this explains
the difference in the teams' cable TV revenues a lot more than their
on-field results do.

> Yes, the Twins do not have as large a potential gold mine as the
> Yankees, but they also have never shown themselves to be willing to
> see how rich a gold mine they actually have.

Well, it's a little under three million people, which I sort of
suspect they know.

> Philadelphia is an immense market

Under six million. Big, sure, but not immense.

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