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Since: May 21, 2006 Posts: 90
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:51 pm
Post subject: Re: Does anyone else hate Ramirez's dreadlocks? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: alt>sports>baseball>sf-giants (more info?)
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:21:25 -0700 "Grizzlie Antagonist"
<lloydsofhanford.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> carved the following into the hard stone
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>"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy.DeleteThis@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:59:07 -0700 "Grizzlie Antagonist"
>> <lloydsofhanford.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> carved the following into the hard stone
>> of alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
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>>>I don't like long hair on men, period. I think that men should be
>>>masculine
>>>and have short hair and that women should be feminine and have long and
>>>luxurious hair. These would be unusual sentiments for San Francisco, but
>>>I
>>>don't live in The City myself.
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>> Are you claiming that the 1970s Oakland Raiders weren't masculine?
>> Long hair everywhere, and some of the bloodiest, mud-splattered
>> football in the game.
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>NOTHING like Manny's dreadlocks.
Nope, but you said "long hair."
It goes in cycles, like all fashions. Me, I prefer to keep my hair
military-short simply because it's easier for me and I have no
pretentions about my looks. In the past, I've worn my hair to shoulder
length with a full beard, a dyed-red mohawk, a Ranger high and tight,
and shaved it bald.
All my choices. You have no say in it.
>> Of course, your views on how things are supposed to be are mired in
>> the 1950s.
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>That's no accident.
Didn't say it was. Of course, it makes you hopelessly lost in the 21st
century.
Do you also think that "coloreds" should stay in their place?
>> They neither help nor hinder. If he likes his hair that way, he's
>> going to keep it.
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>And if he wants to chew food with his mouth open, he's going to do that too.
>It doesn't make it right.
Perhaps you could point me to the section of Emily Post that covers
dreadlocks. I have no problem with him wearing his hair like that. Not
overly attractive, in my opinion, but then I only have to look at him
now when the Giants play the Dodgers.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover
his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel
them?" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN-1784 >> Stay informed about: Does anyone else hate Ramirez's dreadlocks? |
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Since: May 21, 2006 Posts: 90
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:00 pm
Post subject: Re: Does anyone else hate Ramirez's dreadlocks? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Grizzlie Antagonist
<lloydsofhanford.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> carved the following into the hard stone
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>On Aug 10, 11:48 am, "Triple" <rhag....TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On the other hand, if you'd really
>> take away my right to a hair style, I need to be very concerned about you.
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>I would take it away. Your reaction doesn't concern me.
And if we decided that people like you shouldn't have any rights?
would you accept that?
>> First of all, it shows a blatant disrespect for the rights we enjoy in this
>> country.
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>Not interested. If there is a "right" to long hair for men, there
>shouldn't be.
Then you need to start working to get the First Amendment repealed.
>> Funny thing, on paper, I am the perfect old-style Republican. I don't do
>> drugs. I drink rarely and when I do it is single malt scotch and just a
>> little. I don't break laws, with the exception of minor traffic violations.
>> I am very much the fiscal conservative. I distrust big government. Heck, I
>> distrust little government too because I work for them. They aren't evil,
>> just very short-sighted. I even help my elderly neighbors with their trash
>> and computer.
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>Why do you think that I would object to this lifestyle? I suspect
>that there's something that you're not telling me.
Because you seem to object to anyone who admits that it isn't 1955
anymore.
>And I wouldn't let you into my home for help with the trash or
>computer if you had long hair. At least, not on a regular basis.
So, you're a bigot.
>I wouldn't want stray hairs dirtying it up, and I'd have to worry
>about your stealing something to fund a drug habit.
LOL!!! Dude, I'm a recovering meth addict. Been clean for almost 20
years now. Want to know how long I kept my hair during my addict
years? Buzzed down to about quarter inch. I was clean shaven, well
dressed, and did enough meth that I would go two weeks without
sleeping.
But you'd let me into your home because I had short hair. You, sir,
are an idiot.
>> If you looked at me, you'd label me a radical liberal.
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>I'm sure that I would. It's inconceivable to me that you would have
>long hair and not be enamored of left-wing politics. It's
>inconceivable to me that you would have long hair and not be up to
>more criminal activity than you've described here. I can't believe
>that you're not a drug addict, for example. You have long hair, after
>all.
Are you really thius stupid?
>> Looks
>> can be decieving. In truth, I am a fence sitter. I vote Democratic only
>> because they don't care what I do in the bedroom, doctor's office or church
>
>Yes they do.
OK, which party pushed the Defense of Marriage Act? Which poarty keeps
trying to interfere in the relationship between women and their health
providers? Whic party keeps trying to marginalize smaller faiths?
Hint: They use an elephant as their symbol.
>> and the new Republicans want to invade those areas. If it weren't for them,
>> I'd vote Republican.
>
>Then obviously you are not being truthful when you say that you are a
>"fence sitter".
You don't understand the term.
>None of what you just said about Democrats and Republicans is true
>anyway. You ARE a radical liberal. That whole "I'd be a Republican
>if only..." facade is something that they train you in at radical
>liberal activist school.
I'm a Goldwater Republican. Which, these days, makes me a conservative
Democrat.
>> Now, I have to worry about a new politcal contingent
>> that believes they can legislate my hair length. What would we call them,
>> Hairycans? Hairycuts? Haircarians? And getting back to baseball, the Harry
>> Carrians. <grin>
>>
>> <Triple toddles off wondering why anyone would care about the length of
>> anyone else's hair....>
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>Long hair on men is inappropriate and is symptomatic of other evils.
You're a looney.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover
his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel
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Since: May 03, 2007 Posts: 1873
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:38 am
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Since: Nov 17, 2007 Posts: 127
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:27 pm
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On Aug 10, 10:57 am, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf....DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
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> >>> "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fJvnk.16346$cW3.4571@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>>>I hated them before he ever became a Dodger.
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> >>> I don't like Manny the human as far as I can tell but I fail to see what
> >>> the length of someone's hair has to do with anything any more than the
> >>> color of car you drive or where you like to spend your free time. If
> >>> what Selig is alleging is true, he should retire and spend the rest of
> >>> his life in the house cleaning industry.
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> >> I don't like long hair on men, period.
I don't like asswads like you, period.
> > You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
> > it.
>
> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
I should have the right to give you a post natal abortion.
> > The fact that my hair goes most of the way down my back doesn't make me
> > less of a man.
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> No comment.
I take it that just about anyone, including most women, are more of a
man than you.
> > I am about to cut it because it is too much of a pain in the neck to
> > maintain. That won't make me more of a man either.
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> No comment.
>
> > The only thing that would change is your perception of me if you encounter
> > me in a grocery store or something.
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> Or, God forbid, a restaurant. I'd lose my appetite. I sometimes refuse to
> patronize a restaurant because I don't like the looks of the server. I
> sometimes refuse to patronize other businesses for similar reasons.
It's too bad that servers can't eject asswads like you. They can spit
in your food.
> > If you want to judge me on something that superficial, you have every
> > right to.
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> I want to judge you on something that superficial.
And that just proves you're a judgemental asswad, with no judgement,
with a lack of mental on the side.
> > But if you live your life that way, you may be missing out on a lot of
> > great experiences and new stimuli.
>
> I can't imagine what they would be, but I'm willing to take that risk.
Keep it up. Let life pass you by. It's not like anyone cares if you
live or die.
> >> Even setting all that aside, dreadlocks might not seem all that
> >> inappropriate for a rap artist or for a reggae musician, but they don't
> >> seem at all appropriate for an athlete. They seem completely at odds
> >> with what an athlete is supposed to look like and how he is supposed to
> >> behave.
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> > Supposed to look? People dress for your comfort?
>
> Yes.
As soon as you get a total makeover so you're as cute as Conor
Jackson, you have the right to tell others how they should look for
you.
> > I have a boss like you. She believes that how you look is more important
> > than how well I do my job. I work for the government. Would you rather
> > they pay me to do a good job or pay me to look good?
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> If you work for the government, it probably doesn't matter.
And what do you do?
> > You'll likely say both
>
> That would have been my next answer.
>
> > but when it comes to promotion time, who do you want? My less efficient
> > but clean cut coworker or my superior skills and experience?
>
> I want a clean-cut worker with superior skills and experience.
Well, it's a good thing you aren't a boss or in a position to hire
anyone.
> > (P.S. That is a hypothetical, my coworkers are pretty good at what they
> > do. It really wouldn't matter which of us you promoted.)
>
> I know it wouldn't. All of you work for the government.
And what do you do?
> >> They can't possibly HELP his performance on the field, and they could
> >> only be a distraction.
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> > Athletically you are likely right. Psychologically, conforming for the
> > sake of conformance can cause issues.
>
> Tough.
Again, it's not like your opinion matters. You can't hit a ball, you
aren't anyone's boss, and so what you think of what others look like
just proves your asswaddery.
> > Have you ever met an artist? You try to put those folks in your
> > conformance box and they will suffer.
>
> Good. I want them in my conformance box. There's nothing that I enjoy more
> than watching an artist suffer. And besides, it's supposed to be good for
> their art.
And you have no talent at any art, and hate anyone who does. No
wonder you hate everyone who isn't as ugly as you are.
> > I have no idea where Manny is on that scale. I don't care. But if I look
> > at what he's done the last 15 or so games, I can't beleive he'd do better
> > with shorter hair.
> >>If you want to argue that this makes his performance as
> > an athlete all the more remarkable, you're at liberty to do so.
>
> > Not at all. I think it makes no difference at all.
>
> > Though, given his history of attitude problems, I wouldn't want to be his
> > team mate but not because of his hair.
>
> His hair makes me want to vomit, just from looking from him on the TV
I would imagine the sight of you could turn Pamela Anderson into a
dyke.
> screen. I can't imagine sharing a locker room with him.
But you have no talent. It's not like you have any ability at
anything.
> I'd tell him all
> this if I could communicate with him from a safe distance
And you're a chickenshit coward. Wouldn't even tell him to his
face . .. you'd probably be on your knees begging to give him a
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Since: Nov 17, 2007 Posts: 127
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:28 pm
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On Aug 10, 11:31 am, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
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> >>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
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> >>>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
> >>>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to
> >>>>> grow it.
>
> >>>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>
> >>> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
> >>> disturbing view that is.
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> >> I don't mind.
>
> > Because he lost the argument logically hands down and therefore holds on
> > to a rigid and pointless world-view to maintain his comfort level.
>
> I don't see where I lost the argument, but I am hanging on to a rigid and
> pointless world-view to maintain my comfort level.
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> > The veritable definition of a conservative.
>
> Ambrose Bierce described a conservative as someone enamored with existing
> evils, as distinguished from a liberal who wishes to replace them with new
> ones. He should have said "with worse ones". It would have been the
> veritable definition of a liberal.
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> > Personally, I think we need both the conservatives and the liberals around
> > so the rest of us can maintain balance
>
> No, you don't. Or at least, the odds are well against it. There isn't one
> liberal in 100,000 who believes in freedom for non-liberals. There isn't
> one liberal in 100,000 who perceives a "need" for non-liberals.- Hide quoted text -
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:29 pm
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On Aug 10, 12:19 pm, Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanf....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
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> On Aug 10, 11:56 am, "Triple" <rhag....TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > > No, you don't. Or at least, the odds are well against it. There isn't
> > > one liberal in 100,000 who believes in freedom for non-liberals. There
> > > isn't one liberal in 100,000 who perceives a "need" for non-liberals.
>
> > Well then, there is one moderate who does. My entire spiritual life is about
> > balance and equilibrium. We seek the third thing that joins the extremes. In
> > my view, conservatives keep us from changing too fast. Technology is an
> > example of what happens when conservatives are not there. Change has
> > outpaced our laws and ethical thought. Liberals on the other hand keep us
> > from stagnation and clinging to laws and ideas that no longer function well
> > for society.
>
> No, that's conservatism also.
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> > Remember, the conservative view was staying with England.
>
> That was NOT the conservative view.
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> > It was the liberal
> > viewpoint (of the time) that sought a new form of government away from a
> > monarchy.
>
> That was NOT the liberal view.
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> > It was the liberal point of view that was against slavery.
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> False.
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> > The
> > conservatives would maintain the status quo. Just as my life was beginning
> > we had conservative politicians arguing for segregation.
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> Never happened.
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> > The liberal point of view would have us devoid of personal responsibility
> > and relying on government for everything. YUCK to both!
> > Conservatives slow down the pace of change. Liberals allow us to change.. To
> > me the balance is a good thing.
> > My political stance on one issue is this. Republicans want to jail
> > criminals. Democrats want a program to rehab them.
>
> Also false. I work in the criminal justice system. Republican judges
> also believe in rehabilitation for offenders -- especially drug
> offenders -- whose records are non-violent and not too repetitive.
>
> > My view is that I want
> > preventative programs that divert potential criminal activity from happening
> > at all but once it does, lock up them up for a very long time. See? Right
> > down the middle.
>
> Get a haircut.
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