Does anyone else hate Ramirez's dreadlocks?

"Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanford.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I hated them before he ever became a Dodger.

I don't like Manny the human as far as I can tell but I fail to see what the
length of someone's hair has to do with anything any more than the color of
car you drive or where you like to spend your free time. If what Selig is
alleging is true, he should retire and spend the rest of his life in the
house cleaning industry.
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>>I hated them before he ever became a Dodger.
>
> I don't like Manny the human as far as I can tell but I fail to see what
> the length of someone's hair has to do with anything any more than the
> color of car you drive or where you like to spend your free time. If what
> Selig is alleging is true, he should retire and spend the rest of his life
> in the house cleaning industry.



I don't like long hair on men, period. I think that men should be masculine
and have short hair and that women should be feminine and have long and
luxurious hair. These would be unusual sentiments for San Francisco, but I
don't live in The City myself.

Even setting all that aside, dreadlocks might not seem all that
inappropriate for a rap artist or for a reggae musician, but they don't seem
at all appropriate for an athlete. They seem completely at odds with what
an athlete is supposed to look like and how he is supposed to behave.

They can't possibly HELP his performance on the field, and they could only
be a distraction. If you want to argue that this makes his performance as
an athlete all the more remarkable, you're at liberty to do so.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:59:07 -0700, "Grizzlie Antagonist"
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>> "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanford.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>I hated them before he ever became a Dodger.
>>
>> I don't like Manny the human as far as I can tell but I fail to see what
>> the length of someone's hair has to do with anything any more than the
>> color of car you drive or where you like to spend your free time. If what
>> Selig is alleging is true, he should retire and spend the rest of his life
>> in the house cleaning industry.
>
>
>
>I don't like long hair on men, period. I think that men should be masculine
>and have short hair and that women should be feminine and have long and
>luxurious hair. These would be unusual sentiments for San Francisco, but I
>don't live in The City myself.

Even in San Francisco, some men actually do like women.

>
>Even setting all that aside, dreadlocks might not seem all that
>inappropriate for a rap artist or for a reggae musician, but they don't seem
>at all appropriate for an athlete. They seem completely at odds with what
>an athlete is supposed to look like and how he is supposed to behave.

Agreed!

>
>They can't possibly HELP his performance on the field, and they could only
>be a distraction. If you want to argue that this makes his performance as
>an athlete all the more remarkable, you're at liberty to do so.

One big reason why Manny was sent packing from the Red Sox. No doubt
he supplied a lot of offense for the team, but he was also the biggest
distraction in Boston.
>
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>> "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanford.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>I hated them before he ever became a Dodger.
>>
>> I don't like Manny the human as far as I can tell but I fail to see what
>> the length of someone's hair has to do with anything any more than the
>> color of car you drive or where you like to spend your free time. If what
>> Selig is alleging is true, he should retire and spend the rest of his
>> life in the house cleaning industry.
>
>
>
> I don't like long hair on men, period.

You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow it.
The fact that my hair goes most of the way down my back doesn't make me less
of a man. I am about to cut it because it is too much of a pain in the neck
to maintain. That won't make me more of a man either. The only thing that
would change is your perception of me if you encounter me in a grocery store
or something. If you want to judge me on something that superficial, you
have every right to. But if you live your life that way, you may be missing
out on a lot of great experiences and new stimuli.

> Even setting all that aside, dreadlocks might not seem all that
> inappropriate for a rap artist or for a reggae musician, but they don't
> seem at all appropriate for an athlete. They seem completely at odds with
> what an athlete is supposed to look like and how he is supposed to behave.
>
Supposed to look? People dress for your comfort?

I have a boss like you. She believes that how you look is more important
than how well I do my job. I work for the government. Would you rather they
pay me to do a good job or pay me to look good? You'll likely say both but
when it comes to promotion time, who do you want? My less efficient but
clean cut coworker or my superior skills and experience? (P.S. That is a
hypothetical, my coworkers are pretty good at what they do. It really
wouldn't matter which of us you promoted.)


> They can't possibly HELP his performance on the field, and they could only
> be a distraction.

Athletically you are likely right. Psychologically, conforming for the sake
of conformance can cause issues. Have you ever met an artist? You try to put
those folks in your conformance box and they will suffer. I have no idea
where Manny is on that scale. I don't care. But if I look at what he's done
the last 15 or so games, I can't beleive he'd do better with shorter hair.


>If you want to argue that this makes his performance as
an athlete all the more remarkable, you're at liberty to do so.

Not at all. I think it makes no difference at all.

Though, given his history of attitude problems, I wouldn't want to be his
team mate but not because of his hair.
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>>> "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanford.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>I hated them before he ever became a Dodger.
>>>
>>> I don't like Manny the human as far as I can tell but I fail to see what
>>> the length of someone's hair has to do with anything any more than the
>>> color of car you drive or where you like to spend your free time. If
>>> what Selig is alleging is true, he should retire and spend the rest of
>>> his life in the house cleaning industry.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>
> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
> it.



You shouldn't have the right to grow it.



> The fact that my hair goes most of the way down my back doesn't make me
> less of a man.



No comment.



> I am about to cut it because it is too much of a pain in the neck to
> maintain. That won't make me more of a man either.



No comment.



> The only thing that would change is your perception of me if you encounter
> me in a grocery store or something.


Or, God forbid, a restaurant. I'd lose my appetite. I sometimes refuse to
patronize a restaurant because I don't like the looks of the server. I
sometimes refuse to patronize other businesses for similar reasons.



> If you want to judge me on something that superficial, you have every
> right to.



I want to judge you on something that superficial.



> But if you live your life that way, you may be missing out on a lot of
> great experiences and new stimuli.



I can't imagine what they would be, but I'm willing to take that risk.



>> Even setting all that aside, dreadlocks might not seem all that
>> inappropriate for a rap artist or for a reggae musician, but they don't
>> seem at all appropriate for an athlete. They seem completely at odds
>> with what an athlete is supposed to look like and how he is supposed to
>> behave.
>>
> Supposed to look? People dress for your comfort?



Yes.



> I have a boss like you. She believes that how you look is more important
> than how well I do my job. I work for the government. Would you rather
> they pay me to do a good job or pay me to look good?



If you work for the government, it probably doesn't matter.



> You'll likely say both



That would have been my next answer.



> but when it comes to promotion time, who do you want? My less efficient
> but clean cut coworker or my superior skills and experience?



I want a clean-cut worker with superior skills and experience.



> (P.S. That is a hypothetical, my coworkers are pretty good at what they
> do. It really wouldn't matter which of us you promoted.)



I know it wouldn't. All of you work for the government.


>> They can't possibly HELP his performance on the field, and they could
>> only be a distraction.
>
> Athletically you are likely right. Psychologically, conforming for the
> sake of conformance can cause issues.



Tough.



> Have you ever met an artist? You try to put those folks in your
> conformance box and they will suffer.



Good. I want them in my conformance box. There's nothing that I enjoy more
than watching an artist suffer. And besides, it's supposed to be good for
their art.



> I have no idea where Manny is on that scale. I don't care. But if I look
> at what he's done the last 15 or so games, I can't beleive he'd do better
> with shorter hair.



>>If you want to argue that this makes his performance as
> an athlete all the more remarkable, you're at liberty to do so.
>
> Not at all. I think it makes no difference at all.
>
> Though, given his history of attitude problems, I wouldn't want to be his
> team mate but not because of his hair.



His hair makes me want to vomit, just from looking from him on the TV
screen. I can't imagine sharing a locker room with him. I'd tell him all
this if I could communicate with him from a safe distance.
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Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:

>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
>> it.
>
> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.

You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and disturbing view
that is.
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> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
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>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
>>> it.
>>
>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>
> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
> disturbing view that is.



I don't mind.
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"Jamal Bernhard" <noone.DeleteThis@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
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>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
>>> it.
>>
>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>
> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
> disturbing view that is.

It is if that is how he feels. He may just be trying to get a rise out of
me. I hope so even though it didn't work.
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>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
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>>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>>
>> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
>> disturbing view that is.
>
> It is if that is how he feels. He may just be trying to get a rise out of
> me. I hope so even though it didn't work.



I didn't know you had long hair. Why would I think that it would get a rise
out of you, and why would I want to? My life isn't centered around how you
respond to me.

On the other hand, my point of view is genuine, and it seems to have become
a much more important part of your life than your views are to mine.
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>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
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>>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to grow
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>>
>> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
>> disturbing view that is.
>
>
>
> I don't mind.

Because he lost the argument logically hands down and therefore holds on to
a rigid and pointless world-view to maintain his comfort level. The
veritable definition of a conservative. Personally, I think we need both the
conservatives and the liberals around so the rest of us can maintain balance
but sometimes it is hard to watch.
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>>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>>>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to
>>>>> grow it.
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>>>
>>> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
>>> disturbing view that is.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't mind.
>
> Because he lost the argument logically hands down and therefore holds on
> to a rigid and pointless world-view to maintain his comfort level.



I don't see where I lost the argument, but I am hanging on to a rigid and
pointless world-view to maintain my comfort level.


> The veritable definition of a conservative.



Ambrose Bierce described a conservative as someone enamored with existing
evils, as distinguished from a liberal who wishes to replace them with new
ones. He should have said "with worse ones". It would have been the
veritable definition of a liberal.


> Personally, I think we need both the conservatives and the liberals around
> so the rest of us can maintain balance


No, you don't. Or at least, the odds are well against it. There isn't one
liberal in 100,000 who believes in freedom for non-liberals. There isn't
one liberal in 100,000 who perceives a "need" for non-liberals.
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Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:

> No, you don't. Or at least, the odds are well against it. There isn't one
> liberal in 100,000 who believes in freedom for non-liberals.

a) That's bullshit and we all know it.

b) Your comment about legislating appearance shows that you don't believe in
freedom for liberals, so what's your point?
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>>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I don't like long hair on men, period.
>>>>> You have the right not to like it. The same as I have the right to
>>>>> grow it.
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't have the right to grow it.
>>>
>>> You don't have to live in the Bay Area to realize what a sad and
>>> disturbing view that is.
>>
>> It is if that is how he feels. He may just be trying to get a rise out of
>> me. I hope so even though it didn't work.
>
>
>
> I didn't know you had long hair. Why would I think that it would get a
> rise out of you, and why would I want to? My life isn't centered around
> how you respond to me.
>
No, I was referring to your argument that I don't have the right to grow it.
It is hard to tell without knowing someone if that is argument bait or what
someone really feels. I was hoping it was argument bait.

> On the other hand, my point of view is genuine, and it seems to have
> become a much more important part of your life than your views are to
> mine.

I think my hair and everyone else's is very important to you. After all, you
started the thread.
My hair would bother you if we met and therefore it is important to you. If
you didn't care, it wouldn't bother you. On the other hand, if you'd really
take away my right to a hair style, I need to be very concerned about you.
First of all, it shows a blatant disrespect for the rights we enjoy in this
country. Secondly, if hair concerns you that much, the rest of my lifestyle
would bother you much more. Since you have said you'd take away my right to
my hair, you'd likely take away my rights to other things I enjoy too.

Funny thing, on paper, I am the perfect old-style Republican. I don't do
drugs. I drink rarely and when I do it is single malt scotch and just a
little. I don't break laws, with the exception of minor traffic violations.
I am very much the fiscal conservative. I distrust big government. Heck, I
distrust little government too because I work for them. They aren't evil,
just very short-sighted. I even help my elderly neighbors with their trash
and computer. If you looked at me, you'd label me a radical liberal. Looks
can be decieving. In truth, I am a fence sitter. I vote Democratic only
because they don't care what I do in the bedroom, doctor's office or church
and the new Republicans want to invade those areas. If it weren't for them,
I'd vote Republican. Now, I have to worry about a new politcal contingent
that believes they can legislate my hair length. What would we call them,
Hairycans? Hairycuts? Haircarians? And getting back to baseball, the Harry
Carrians. <grin>

<Triple toddles off wondering why anyone would care about the length of
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