what happened to Ethier?

"K2" <K2PadFan RemoveThis @padres.net> wrote in message
news:gbUFi.158833$zz2.153738@newsfe12.phx...
> "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapman3 RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46e7d6f9$0$24283$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Nice photo on Yahoo sports this morning of him looking all beat up with a
>> bloody nose. Caption said he was injured last night - recap says nothing
>> about it. What's the story? HBP? Collision on the base paths?
>
> He took a face-plant when he slid head-first into 1B in the 8th inning.

I'm all for playing hard but this is a bad play 99.9999% of the time. The
only reason to dive or slide into first is if someone is trying to tag you.
Study after study has proven this slows you down yet every year runners do
this and get hurt.

The kangaroo court of Triple fines Ethier seventy-five cents and one
chocolate chip cookie.
 >> Stay informed about: what happened to Ethier? 

On Sep 12, 9:21 am, "Triple" <rhag... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> "K2" <K2Pad... RemoveThis @padres.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gbUFi.158833$zz2.153738@newsfe12.phx...
>
> > "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapm... RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:46e7d6f9$0$24283$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> Nice photo on Yahoo sports this morning of him looking all beat up with a
> >> bloody nose. Caption said he was injured last night - recap says nothing
> >> about it. What's the story? HBP? Collision on the base paths?
>
> > He took a face-plant when he slid head-first into 1B in the 8th inning.
>
> I'm all for playing hard but this is a bad play 99.9999% of the time. The
> only reason to dive or slide into first is if someone is trying to tag you.
> Study after study has proven this slows you down yet every year runners do
> this and get hurt.
>
> The kangaroo court of Triple fines Ethier seventy-five cents and one
> chocolate chip cookie.

The "studies" are wrong. Properly done sliding head first is faster
than running "through" the bag.
 >> Stay informed about: what happened to Ethier? 

"Aztec_Bill" <wknowlto DeleteThis @csc.com> wrote in message
news:1189618492.032730.132690@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 12, 9:21 am, "Triple" <rhag... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> "K2" <K2Pad... DeleteThis @padres.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:gbUFi.158833$zz2.153738@newsfe12.phx...
>>
>> > "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapm... DeleteThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:46e7d6f9$0$24283$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> Nice photo on Yahoo sports this morning of him looking all beat up
>> >> with a
>> >> bloody nose. Caption said he was injured last night - recap says
>> >> nothing
>> >> about it. What's the story? HBP? Collision on the base paths?
>>
>> > He took a face-plant when he slid head-first into 1B in the 8th inning.
>>
>> I'm all for playing hard but this is a bad play 99.9999% of the time. The
>> only reason to dive or slide into first is if someone is trying to tag
>> you.
>> Study after study has proven this slows you down yet every year runners
>> do
>> this and get hurt.
>>
>> The kangaroo court of Triple fines Ethier seventy-five cents and one
>> chocolate chip cookie.
>
> The "studies" are wrong. Properly done sliding head first is faster
> than running "through" the bag.
>
Do you have a study to prove that? Every study I've ever heard about proves
the opposite. So far, your appeal has not saved Ethier the seventy-five
cents or the cookie. <grin> However, I am considering upping the fine by
another cookie due to the unproven assertions of his defense lawyer <grin
again>.
 >> Stay informed about: what happened to Ethier? 

"Aztec_Bill" <wknowlto DeleteThis @csc.com> wrote in message
news:1189618492.032730.132690@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 12, 9:21 am, "Triple" <rhag... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> "K2" <K2Pad... DeleteThis @padres.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:gbUFi.158833$zz2.153738@newsfe12.phx...
>>
>> > "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapm... DeleteThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:46e7d6f9$0$24283$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> >> Nice photo on Yahoo sports this morning of him looking all beat up
>> >> with a
>> >> bloody nose. Caption said he was injured last night - recap says
>> >> nothing
>> >> about it. What's the story? HBP? Collision on the base paths?
>>
>> > He took a face-plant when he slid head-first into 1B in the 8th inning.

Hope he's not hurt too bad. At least he seems like he's still playing hard.

>> I'm all for playing hard but this is a bad play 99.9999% of the time. The
>> only reason to dive or slide into first is if someone is trying to tag
>> you.
>> Study after study has proven this slows you down yet every year runners
>> do
>> this and get hurt.

No kidding. Only anecdotal evidence, but I saw a guy try it once and snap
his wrist. Of course, he wasn't all about proper technique (it was city
league softball - can you believe he tried it playing softball?!?).

>>
>> The kangaroo court of Triple fines Ethier seventy-five cents and one
>> chocolate chip cookie.
>
> The "studies" are wrong. Properly done sliding head first is faster
> than running "through" the bag.

Please explain how the friction of one's body against the ground will
actually result in an increase in speed.

Really, it's all about timing - if you hit the bag in stride (thus not
slowing down to make sure you hit the bag), running will be faster. If your
stride is off and you have to slow down to make sure you hit the bag, then
yeah - sliding *might* be a little faster. Everything I've ever read,
though, says you're better off running through first because (a) sliding
doesn't actually get you there faster, regardless of how it seems, and (b)
it's dangerous (but then, sliding head first is always a little dangerous).
I think of it as the corked bat principle - everyone thinks it helps while
the physical evidence says just the opposite, but players still get caught
corking their bats every once in a while.
 >> Stay informed about: what happened to Ethier? 

"Jeremy Chapman" <jchapman3 RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:46e87745$0$18901$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Aztec_Bill" <wknowlto RemoveThis @csc.com> wrote in message
> news:1189618492.032730.132690@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 12, 9:21 am, "Triple" <rhag... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "K2" <K2Pad... RemoveThis @padres.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:gbUFi.158833$zz2.153738@newsfe12.phx...
>>>
>>> > "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapm... RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:46e7d6f9$0$24283$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> >> Nice photo on Yahoo sports this morning of him looking all beat up
>>> >> with a
>>> >> bloody nose. Caption said he was injured last night - recap says
>>> >> nothing
>>> >> about it. What's the story? HBP? Collision on the base paths?
>>>
>>> > He took a face-plant when he slid head-first into 1B in the 8th
>>> > inning.
>
> Hope he's not hurt too bad. At least he seems like he's still playing
> hard.
>
>>> I'm all for playing hard but this is a bad play 99.9999% of the time.
>>> The
>>> only reason to dive or slide into first is if someone is trying to tag
>>> you.
>>> Study after study has proven this slows you down yet every year runners
>>> do
>>> this and get hurt.
>
> No kidding. Only anecdotal evidence, but I saw a guy try it once and snap
> his wrist. Of course, he wasn't all about proper technique (it was city
> league softball - can you believe he tried it playing softball?!?).
>

Yup, I'm 40 and when I play softball in a rec league full of terrible teams
and players (myself included) I play balls out and dive for balls. I will
not take out a catcher or go into ANYONE in rec league but I'll play like I
did in little league as hard as I'm capable of playing while having a lot of
fun at the same time.
 >> Stay informed about: what happened to Ethier? 

"Triple" <rhager4.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XtSdnaUON-8VHnXbnZ2dnUVZ_rmjnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Jeremy Chapman" <jchapman3.TakeThisOut@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46e87745$0$18901$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "Aztec_Bill" <wknowlto.TakeThisOut@csc.com> wrote in message
>> news:1189618492.032730.132690@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 12, 9:21 am, "Triple" <rhag....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm all for playing hard but this is a bad play 99.9999% of the time.
>>>> The
>>>> only reason to dive or slide into first is if someone is trying to tag
>>>> you.
>>>> Study after study has proven this slows you down yet every year runners
>>>> do
>>>> this and get hurt.
>>
>> No kidding. Only anecdotal evidence, but I saw a guy try it once and
>> snap his wrist. Of course, he wasn't all about proper technique (it was
>> city league softball - can you believe he tried it playing softball?!?).
>>
>
> Yup, I'm 40 and when I play softball in a rec league full of terrible
> teams and players (myself included) I play balls out and dive for balls. I
> will not take out a catcher or go into ANYONE in rec league but I'll play
> like I did in little league as hard as I'm capable of playing while having
> a lot of fun at the same time.

I'm not quite 40 and still play in the city leagues any chance I get, and my
wife routinely makes fun of me when I come home with scrapes and bruises
from sliding on the bases or diving for balls. To me, that's just playing
hard (and if you're not going to play hard, why play?). But I'm with you,
I'm not taking anybody out (or sliding into first) in rec league.
 >> Stay informed about: what happened to Ethier?