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"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 6 May 2008 12:55:16 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>>"Scott Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 05:45:39 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>>> wrote:
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>>>>of course, anyone with an elementary understanding of The Game
>>>>understands
>>>>balance. The LA Angels of A have the 10th best team ERA in the league
>>>>(second worst in their division), yet lead their division, and are tied
>>>>with
>>>>the R Sox for most wins in the league. The Toronto Blue Jays, with the
>>>>second best ERA in the league are dead last in their division, a mere
>>>>two
>>>>games better than the Tigers in wins and losses.
>>>
>>> Of course, balance is a key. The horrible pitching is just the Tigers
>>> glaring problem...
>>
>>
>>I see you never will get it. It just ain;t that simple, sonny. Seriously
>>look at the numbers. In the AL West, the A's have a league leading ERA,
>>and
>>have scored as many runs as the Angels, who have the TENTH best ERA in the
>>league, BUT, who'd in first place???
>>(I'll give you a clue: It's the team with Torii Hunter in centerfirld)
>
>
> Of course the Tigers problems go beyond just the pitching. It takes
> an all-around team effort to be as bad as the Tigers are this season.
>
> The pitching is just the part that's so fun to watch, because it's
> such an OBVIOUS weakness.




Is everyone in MN so dense?








The Tigers pitchers can implode
> at any given moment, from the starters on down to the closer...and
> everywhere in-between.
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:45:15 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>> The pitching is just the part that's so fun to watch, because it's
>> such an OBVIOUS weakness.
>

>Is everyone in MN so dense?


Is everyone in Detroit in denial?





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> On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:31:22 -0400, "Hosmerica"
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>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>> Of course the Tigers problems go beyond just the pitching. It takes
>>> an all-around team effort to be as bad as the Tigers are this season.
>>
>>
>>What do you want out of them? You said it several times that you don't
>>expect them to score 6+ runs a game.
>
> I don't want anything more out of them, they're doing just fine.
>
>>> The pitching is just the part that's so fun to watch, because it's
>>> such an OBVIOUS weakness. The Tigers pitchers can implode
>>> at any given moment, from the starters on down to the closer...and
>>> everywhere in-between.
>>
>>
>>Another vague and generalized statement that can apply to every team.
>
> No, not really. Most teams have at least one (or more) aspects of
> their pitching that is fairly solid (starters, relief, closer). The
> Tigers have nothing solid in their pitching roster that I can see.


"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment, from
the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between." applies to
every team. You're not looking at the entire pitching staff if you don't
think there are any decent pitchers on the team.
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:37:18 -0400, "Hosmerica"
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>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:31:22 -0400, "Hosmerica"
>> <BigOneComing.DeleteThis@IveGotGas.com> wrote:
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>>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Of course the Tigers problems go beyond just the pitching. It takes
>>>> an all-around team effort to be as bad as the Tigers are this season.
>>>
>>>
>>>What do you want out of them? You said it several times that you don't
>>>expect them to score 6+ runs a game.
>>
>> I don't want anything more out of them, they're doing just fine.
>>
>>>> The pitching is just the part that's so fun to watch, because it's
>>>> such an OBVIOUS weakness. The Tigers pitchers can implode
>>>> at any given moment, from the starters on down to the closer...and
>>>> everywhere in-between.
>>>
>>>
>>>Another vague and generalized statement that can apply to every team.
>>
>> No, not really. Most teams have at least one (or more) aspects of
>> their pitching that is fairly solid (starters, relief, closer). The
>> Tigers have nothing solid in their pitching roster that I can see.
>
>
>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment, from
>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between." applies to
>every team.

No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
on their pitching roster.

> You're not looking at the entire pitching staff if you don't
>think there are any decent pitchers on the team.

Well, I thought Verlander and Rogers were fairly solid...but so far
this season, both are looking anything BUT solid.

I think Bonderman has hit his peak, and he didn't have to go far
to reach it. He will always be a pitcher that is *almost* pretty good.

Galarraga and Rapada seem OK, but are still way too raw to tell.

Other than that, nope...no very solid pitchers on the roster, IMO.





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>>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment,
>>from
>>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between." applies
>>to
>>every team.
>
> No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
> on their pitching roster.


Yes, really. Every pitcher can implode at any given moment. You don't like
that what you said is applicable to every team and not just the Tigers...but
it's true.


>
>> You're not looking at the entire pitching staff if you don't
>>think there are any decent pitchers on the team.
>
> Well, I thought Verlander and Rogers were fairly solid...but so far
> this season, both are looking anything BUT solid.
>
> I think Bonderman has hit his peak, and he didn't have to go far
> to reach it. He will always be a pitcher that is *almost* pretty good.
>
> Galarraga and Rapada seem OK, but are still way too raw to tell.


Well, then we should give Verlander, Rogers and Bonderman some more time to
see how they do. It's only fitting to judge all pitchers in the same
timeframe and not just the ones that conveniently enough fit your wishful
thinking of Tigers pitchers being the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever
sucked.
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On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:56:19 -0400, "Hosmerica"
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>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment,
>>>from
>>>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between." applies
>>>to
>>>every team.
>>
>> No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
>> on their pitching roster.
>
>
>Yes, really. Every pitcher can implode at any given moment. You don't like
>that what you said is applicable to every team and not just the Tigers...but
>it's true.

You have to admit that some pitchers are worse than others, and some
pitchers are more prone to imploding than others.

Just look at the Tigers pitchers for proof of that.

>>> You're not looking at the entire pitching staff if you don't
>>>think there are any decent pitchers on the team.
>>
>> Well, I thought Verlander and Rogers were fairly solid...but so far
>> this season, both are looking anything BUT solid.
>>
>> I think Bonderman has hit his peak, and he didn't have to go far
>> to reach it. He will always be a pitcher that is *almost* pretty good.
>>
>> Galarraga and Rapada seem OK, but are still way too raw to tell.
>
>Well, then we should give Verlander, Rogers and Bonderman some more time to
>see how they do. It's only fitting to judge all pitchers in the same
>timeframe and not just the ones that conveniently enough fit your wishful
>thinking of Tigers pitchers being the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever
>sucked.

The stats don't lie. The Tigers pitching, as compared to all other
MLB teams, has sucked so far this season....and we are roughly
six weeks into the season. So there is a decent sampling to
base judgments on.

But you do have a point, they can only get better from here. It's
hard to go farther down than the bottom.




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bk>

of course, anyone with an elementary understanding of The Game
understands balance. The LA Angels of A have the 10th best team ERA in
the league (second worst in their division), yet lead their division,
and are tied with the R Sox for most wins in the league. The Toronto
Blue Jays, with the second best ERA in the league are dead last in their
division, a mere two games better than the Tigers in wins and losses.

reply>

http://www.scoreboard.msnbc.com/msnbc/main.asp?frames=0&sport=mlb&cat=...&rank=1

Yes and the tigs are the third best with division leaders halos and red
sox in run
support.

The jays btw although near the bottom in
support are 4 games better than the tigs
not TWO,they both have played the same
number of games tigs 14-19,jays 16-17.

The jays have outstanding pitching top
to bottom,but the hitting sucks,so far,
but is showing signs of improving
slowly but surely.

Three jays starters are in the top ten
in era,even their # 5 starter litsch.leads
the team in wins.with four.With not
a tigs pitcher to be found in the top
twenty in either wins or era.

Unlikely as at may seem the only
one who shows up in league leaders
is jones who has five saves.while
three pitchers for the jays have racked
up 12 of their 16 wins as saves.

The tigers have scored thirty more
runs than the jays,and based on
their one run loses alone half of those
runs would have put the jays right
near the top of their division.

Halladay has pitched four complete
games with only one win to show for
it.The rest of the staff have all pitched
an avg of more than 7 inn. in there
their last two starts in the rotation.

Any team who scores 6 runs early in a
game should have a better than 70%
chance of winning the game especially
at home.

It's clear to everyone apparently except
bk that pitching is killing the tigers.Any
way you slice it.They tried to stack the
team with big bats and trusted that the
last two seasons good era was gona put
them over the top.Leyland can keep shuffling the order till the cows
come
home.
??
Maybe it would be beneficial for billy to watch a game or two instead
of trying to come up with flawed logic from the box
scores in the free press,on the tigers
continuing woes.??

??
Btw billy you seem to like to make try
and make a case that the jays are dead
last in their division,the tigs have been
there since day one,for the most part.in
what is arguably the worst division in
the al thus far this season.??

??
I seem to remember two seasons ago,billy
was telling us all how the tigs pitching era
was the main reason they where running away with the division.??

While it's nice to have those big blow out
games,they are never the norm,expecting
a team with poor pitching to score 6+ runs
a game or more to make up for a piss poor pitching staff is
nonsense!?The law
of averages just does not apply in this
case.It's those one run nail bitters you
need to win more often than not.

A balanced attack is best but imho good
pitching and more good pitching will win
more games in the long run than all the
offence in the world.

What did the brass hats in tiger town think
pitchers in the al where gona shake in their collective booties,when
facing that awesome line up of tigs??(not)
And that teams would have to order extra
balls for tigers games ,with so many flying
out of the park.So far its apparent that the
that the tigers need to order more balls,
especially in hitter friendly comerica.

Comerica is ranked higher in home runs
allowed than even Coors field over the
last few seasons.Unfortunately for the tigers it's mainly the opposition
who hits
them.Of course they now keep all the
balls in a giant sealed humidor at coors
these days,maybe the tigs should invest
in one; > )

Although being a jays fan,I gota say I am
more optimistic of the their chances at post season than the tigs,and it
sure is
apparent that teams like the twins,and kc
are no longer punching bags for the tigs.

I know it's a long season and anything
can happen,but that 0-7 start for the tigs
may well come back to bite them in the
ass,late in September.


Never the less I wish them luck,their gona
need it.I remember the jays starting 12-24
in 89 and wining the division.But 0-7 to
start the season is gona be tough to over
come especially for the tigs if they can't
throttle teams they are supposed to beat
up on,in the weakest division in the al,
thus far.

I would almost bet the farm that the wild
card will not come from the alc,this season.

But they hit the yanks at the right time,so
who nows.
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>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.RemoveThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment,
>>>>from
>>>>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between."
>>>>applies
>>>>to
>>>>every team.
>>>
>>> No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
>>> on their pitching roster.
>>
>>
>>Yes, really. Every pitcher can implode at any given moment. You don't
>>like
>>that what you said is applicable to every team and not just the
>>Tigers...but
>>it's true.
>
> You have to admit that some pitchers are worse than others, and some
> pitchers are more prone to imploding than others.
>
> Just look at the Tigers pitchers for proof of that.


It is certainly more evident on the Tigers roster, but don't make it sound
like they're the only team in the bigs to have pitching woes this year.
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>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:56:19 -0400, "Hosmerica"
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>>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment,
>>>>>from
>>>>>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between."
>>>>>applies
>>>>>to
>>>>>every team.
>>>>
>>>> No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
>>>> on their pitching roster.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, really. Every pitcher can implode at any given moment. You don't
>>>like
>>>that what you said is applicable to every team and not just the
>>>Tigers...but
>>>it's true.
>>
>> You have to admit that some pitchers are worse than others, and some
>> pitchers are more prone to imploding than others.
>>
>> Just look at the Tigers pitchers for proof of that.
>
>
>It is certainly more evident on the Tigers roster, but don't make it sound
>like they're the only team in the bigs to have pitching woes this year.

They are definitely not the ONLY ones....but they are certainly the
most visible, IMO.




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>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.RemoveThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment,
>>>>from
>>>>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between."
>>>>applies
>>>>to
>>>>every team.
>>>
>>> No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
>>> on their pitching roster.
>>
>>



why don't you just go to hell???
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>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 15:56:19 -0400, "Hosmerica"
>> <BigOneComing.DeleteThis@IveGotGas.com> wrote:
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>>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>>"The <insert team name here> pitchers can implode at any given moment,
>>>>>from
>>>>>the starters on down to the closer...and everywhere in-between."
>>>>>applies
>>>>>to
>>>>>every team.
>>>>
>>>> No, not really. Most teams have some pretty dependable guys SOMEWHERE
>>>> on their pitching roster.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, really. Every pitcher can implode at any given moment. You don't
>>>like
>>>that what you said is applicable to every team and not just the
>>>Tigers...but
>>>it's true.
>>
>> You have to admit that some pitchers are worse than others, and some
>> pitchers are more prone to imploding than others.
>>
>> Just look at the Tigers pitchers for proof of that.
>
>
> It is certainly more evident on the Tigers roster, but don't make it sound
> like they're the only team in the bigs to have pitching woes this year.
>
>




besides that, there are teams like the Angels, whose team ERA is only about
..5 better than the Tigers, and they're in first place. Skippy's "pitching
woes" mantra does not BEGIN to explian the Tigers.
I see he chooses to IGNORE my posts asking him to make sense of the AL West,
where a team that has the league leading ERA, and as many runs scored as the
team TENTH in the league in ERA, is in second place, behind that team with
the TENTH best ERA.




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> On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:45:15 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>> The pitching is just the part that's so fun to watch, because it's
>>> such an OBVIOUS weakness.
>>
>
>>Is everyone in MN so dense?
>
>
> Is everyone in Detroit in denial?




you're the one in denail, sonny, by trying to place blame for a sub-.500
record on one aspect of the game.





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On Tue, 6 May 2008 16:59:27 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 13:45:15 -0400, "Bill Kawalec"
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>>>"S. Smith" <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> The pitching is just the part that's so fun to watch, because it's
>>>> such an OBVIOUS weakness.
>>>
>>
>>>Is everyone in MN so dense?
>>
>>
>> Is everyone in Detroit in denial?
>
>
>you're the one in denail, sonny, by trying to place blame for a sub-.500
>record on one aspect of the game.


No, I have admitted that the Tigers problems go beyond just pitching.

Their hot-and-cold offense and poor fielding by the old guys is part
of it, too.

The pitching is just the most *consistent* weakness for the Tigers
so far this season.





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