Griffey typical out

"Ron Johnson" <johnson RemoveThis @ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in message
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> On Apr 21, 7:52 pm, "RJA" <r... RemoveThis @nospam.cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>> "Ron Johnson" <john... RemoveThis @ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in message
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>> > On Apr 20, 8:03 pm, Kevin McClave <kmcclaveSPAM D... RemoveThis @HEREtwcny.rr.com>
>> > wrote:
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>> >> The 8 out of 10 stat is certainly impressive. The fact that it
>> >> happened
>> >> over 6 years makes me think he would not maintain that level of
>> >> success
>> >> when bunting more frequently. I just do not believe it is an 80% sure
>> >> thing.
>>
>> > Nor do I. But the floor is low. David Ortiz is 3-10 bunting against
>> > the shift.
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>> > And in the abstract, the break-even point for a bunt for Griffey
>> > with nobody on is something close to 45%.
>>
>> > Well actually probably higher. More than half of his bunt
>> > attempts will go foul (*very* few players who bunt for a base
>> > hit get half of them in fair territory. And only one player --
>> > Tony Gwynn -- was substantially above that. Gwynn was about
>> > 50% more likely than guys like Butler and Nixon to put
>> > the ball in fair territory -- data from memory of an
>> > old study in a Stats Scoreboard) And there's the
>> > opportunity cost of the strike to factor in.
>>
>> > Best I can tell he shouldn't consider bunting against
>> > right-handed pitchers with less than overwhelming stuff.
>> > Nor should he consider it against good fielding pitchers
>> > or exceptional third-basemen.
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>> > And for a very different reason the bunt's problematic
>> > against guys with outstanding stuff. Too hard to get the
>> > bunt down (and the risk of injury is real. A bunt attempt
>> > against the dominant Randy Johnson had to carry a real risk
>> > of a broken hand)
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>> > That's the abstract. But the fact that he's more likely to
>> > have to run real hard on a bunt -- always problematic
>> > given Griffey's health makes it seem to me kind of like
>> > suggesting he play the outfield like Fred Lynn. There are
>> > times when that's appropriate, but baseball's a game of
>> > the long run.
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>> You forgot one. If you're really hungry and getting on base might help
>> to
>> tie the game, you might have to go to extra innings and that would be bad
>> because the food could get cold.
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> Rich do you have a point or are you just trying to piss me off?

I thought it was an awful lot of weaker excuses for a guy who is 9 for 11 to
not try to make it 10 for 12 when the Reds need baserunners. The numbers
there simply don't lie.

> You're acting like a total jerk in all of these threads on Griffey
> and
> bunting and I'd really like to understand why.

I don't see where I'm acting like a jerk. I don't see any reason why he
shouldn't go for it if they're willing to give it up, and we need guys on.
I don't buy the 'oh he might get hurt' or 'oh he might get hit by a pitch'
in these situations. Do you watch Reds games? If so, you'd know that he
knows what he's doing up there when he lays one down. He's fundamentally
sound. That might be why he's 9 for 11.

This is a tired thread. I'm sticking to my theory until he proves me wrong.