Happy Easter

> I also agree with what you said (above) and didn't mean at all to
> imply that I am "more moral" than anyone - Christian or not. I am NO
> ONE's example of anything, much less Christianity... other than maybe
> a bad example. The best example is Jesus, and then some of His
> Biblical followers. I do believe though that "morality" isn't really
> the issue, as far as Easter - the OP topic - is concerned. No one is
> "moral" enough - and most are just plain immoral... especially
> politicians (and their government minions), and admittedly most
> organized religion so-called "leaders." I mean really, would any sane
> person really consider Al Sharpton a "reverend?" I don't think so.
>
> But anyway, anyone who is OK with Bro Free, is OK with me.... even
> heathens...
>
>
>


Cool. Then let's call a truce, and save all this for the religious debate
groups that I try to avoid like the flu anyway.

Truce. Behind me. Done. Go Pens. Go Steelers. Go... yeah, go buckos.
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"Stalker" <stalker DeleteThis @yer.window> wrote in message

> Truce. Behind me. Done. Go Pens. Go Steelers. Go... yeah, go buckos.

Amen
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when you take
> your last breathe i guess you will know for sure huh.
>
>
>

Pascal's Wager
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"Stalker" <stalker.RemoveThis@yer.window> wrote in message
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> when you take
>> your last breathe i guess you will know for sure huh.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Pascal's Wager

There's more to it then that, you must accept Him into your heart, not just
your head. You just can't say "If" this and "if" that. Once He is living
inside you, THEN you will understand. I've heard of this Wager thing but i
never knew what it was. I just looked it up real quick, i'll read more about
it later. I had a supernatural experience in 1992 and my walk with the Lord
is very personal, like i said i don't do much religion. I have a certain
minister i like (Greg Laurie - Harvest.org). Don't get me wrong, if someone
can find a good church then more power to ya. They are few and far between.

Peace out Brother Stalker, great game tonight, Fleury Rocked.
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"®MAX®" <MAX.TakeThisOut@SteelersRule.net> wrote in message
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> So in essence what you are saying is correct and the "right way"
> Mike/Rocky. But there is also plenty of evidence of God. It's just that
> it takes a True Believer to really see and hear it.


I agree with you Max. My point was that some people claim to have actually
spoken with God, or had a real angel speak to them, or seen very tangible
proof in the form of miracles or whatever. That's the first group I referred
to. The second group I referenced are those who have felt God moving in our
lives in ways that we truly believe are undeniable, but for which we have no
tangible proof to show others.

Like I said previously, I know what I know, and I believe what I believe,
but I can not provide hard evidence that would stand up to any
non-believer's scrutiny. Nor do I believe I should be able to, by God's own
plan.

Mike



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>
> I agree with your assessment of organized religion. As for the census
> poll showing such a high rate of "religious" people in prison - it's
> pretty simple really. It looks better for their parole hearings.
> Seriously.
>
>
>

So it makes sesnse to claim to being Muslim or American Indian.

Religion can't be taken into account in parole hearings. It's prejucicary.
Parole is about remorse and your prison behavior record. That is all.

Seriously.
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>>
>> I agree with your assessment of organized religion. As for the census
>> poll showing such a high rate of "religious" people in prison - it's
>> pretty simple really. It looks better for their parole hearings.
>> Seriously.
>>
>>
>>
>
> So it makes sesnse to claim to being Muslim or American Indian.

Yeah, and many do. Hey, claiming they're Muslim IS claiming they are
religious. "Religious" is not the same as "Christian," although many
Christians do consider themselves religious.

> Religion can't be taken into account in parole hearings. It's
> prejucicary.
> Parole is about remorse and your prison behavior record. That is all.
>
> Seriously.

You can say that, and maybe the "rules" even say that, but come on, you
don't believe it do you? Parole boards can consider anything they want to,
including what the person says about themselves. "Honestly, I don't know
what ever made me want to molest little children, and I know I would never
do it again..." So why wouldn't they be swayed by someone claiming they
found religion? I think you're quite mistaken on that count.





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>> Seriously.
>
> You can say that, and maybe the "rules" even say that, but come on,
> you don't believe it do you? Parole boards can consider anything they
> want to, including what the person says about themselves. "Honestly, I
> don't know what ever made me want to molest little children, and I
> know I would never do it again..." So why wouldn't they be swayed by
> someone claiming they found religion? I think you're quite mistaken on
> that count.
>
>
>
>
>

The basic thesis of your argument is that the statistics lie. The reason
for this is that all those murderous, child raping atheists are claiming to
be religious in order to appease the parole board.

Is there really any doubt why agnostics and atheists are so bitter towards
people of belief?
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>
>>> Seriously.
>>
>> You can say that, and maybe the "rules" even say that, but come on,
>> you don't believe it do you? Parole boards can consider anything they
>> want to, including what the person says about themselves. "Honestly, I
>> don't know what ever made me want to molest little children, and I
>> know I would never do it again..." So why wouldn't they be swayed by
>> someone claiming they found religion? I think you're quite mistaken on
>> that count.
>>
>
> The basic thesis of your argument is that the statistics lie. The reason
> for this is that all those murderous, child raping atheists are claiming
> to
> be religious in order to appease the parole board.
>
> Is there really any doubt why agnostics and atheists are so bitter towards
> people of belief?

Statistics are not capable of telling the truth or a lie. Stats are what
they are, and they're not above being questioned by any rational person. You
threw out a stat as an example of why you hate "religion," saying that it's
because 90-some percent of convicted criminals claim to be religious. I
pointed out that many of them claim so in order to support their parole
hearings. I know this from talking to many prison and jail guards who I have
worked with over the years. You think that gives you cause to be bitter
towards believers? You are about as illogical as anyone I've talked to on
usenet.

Carry your bitterness, harbor your feelings of resentment, rail against the
things that cause you so much pain and unhappiness. Not much I can do or say
about it. I'm really not interested in continuing to debate with you on
this, as you don't provide anything of substance, you throw up bogus
"factoids" and then get upset at a reasoned response. Good luck to you,
dude.

Mike




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> Okay, it's agreed then, live and let live. What a marvelous concept!
>

Now we rollin'

> Look, I don't see it as my mission to convert or convince anyone to
> believe as I do, truly I don't. I do see it as my responsibility to
> share what I believe, and I've done that, and probably took it too far
> at that. I didn't mean for this to turn into a dispute, and respect
> your right to your beliefs. And I think you seem like a guy who I'd
> probably gladly have a beer with and talk sports.

Ditto. Truce, then.

> The point I wanted to make originally was simply that if people truly
> want to allow others to believe as they will, then they have to accept
> that part of that includes "spreading the Word." On the other hand, I
> don't believe in shoving it down people's throats and if I came across
> that way, I regret that.

Ok.. I'll drop this whole conversation once I point THIS out:

Ya can't say this

"Look, I don't see it as my mission to convert or convince anyone to
believe
as I do"

AND this

The point I wanted to make originally was simply that if people truly
want
to allow others to believe as they will, then they have to accept that
part
of that includes "spreading the Word."

It's just a tad non-sequitor.

> Take care - I'm going to get back to talking Steeler football,
> something that's much more controversial than religion!
>
> Mike
>
>

And yeah, on that we agree.

Go Steelers, Go Pens, Go.. yeah... go buckos.

Take care, man.
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"®MAX®" <MAX.TakeThisOut@SteelersRule.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dr. Richard Dawkins, holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair of Public
> Understanding of Science at Oxford University said:
> "We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully
> 'designed' to have come into existence by chance."
>
> There is no doubt that even the most ardent atheist concedes that design
> is evident in the animals and plants that inhabit our planet. If Dawkins
> rejects "chance" in design, what does he put in place of "chance" if he
> does not accept a Creator God?
>
> ????????????????????
>
>
>

<<There is no evidence in favour of intelligent design: only alleged gaps in
the completeness of the evolutionary account, coupled with the "default"
fallacy we have identified. And, while it is inevitably true that there are
incompletenesses in evolutionary science, the positive evidence for the fact
of evolution is truly massive, made up of hundreds of thousands of mutually
corroborating observations. These come from areas such as geology,
paleontology, comparative anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, ethology,
biogeography, embryology and - increasingly nowadays - molecular genetics.>>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/sep/01/schools.research

There are a number of things that we can explain today that we couldn't
explain even a decade ago. And there are a number of things that appear to
be intelligent design today but will turn out to be explainable in other
ways tomorrow.

There are a number of other things that we don't have to explain either
today or tomorrow. One of them is why some choose to believe in a
supernatural being and some don't.

mk5000

"I'll never be alone
And you, my friend, will see
You've got a friend in me
(you've got a friend in me) "--Ben, Michael Jackson
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> "Brother Freebyrd" <headbangerz4jesus DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> For the believers, Happy Easter!!!!
>
> Same to you BF, and anyone else reading, Happy Easter.
>



me and my peeps don't celebrate Easter til later in April


mk5000

"Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks."-- Glen Appleby
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>
> "In the beginning God[3] created the heavens and the earth. And the earth
> was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And
> the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
>
> It's in text; it must be true!! (sarcasm drips to the floor)
>



did you check snopes, it sounds like an urban legend

mk5000

"Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right "--Michael Jackson
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