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wolfer

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Since: Apr 24, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:14 pm
Post subject: Better then you think
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Ryan Dempster has taken a lot of flack from this site and I for one was
a contributer. After thursday game in New York Cub fans were close to
dispair. It was a very tough loss and for some of us that remember 1969
and the heartache of that season it especially was painfull because the
other team was the Mets. I am sure Ron Santo was having fits in that 9th
ining. But, looking at the Closers in the ML and what success rate they
have Saves VS Save Opertunities. I was very surprised. The following
figures are from 1999 to the present.

Hoffman------91%
Jenks--------90%
Rivera-------89%
Wagner-------89%
Valverdi-----86%
Dempster-----85%
IRingshausen-85%
Papelbon-----85%
Benitez------85%
Rodriguez----85%
Fuentes------84%
Jones--------80%
Putz---------80%
Sreet--------80%
Borowski-----80%
Cordero------79%
Ray----------78%
Wheeler------74%
Torres-------71%
Weathers-----54%

The top four closers have been lights out for quite awhile and the
chances of landing one of them is remote. Dempster seems to fall in the
middle level. Unless he comes completly unclued I see him continuing as
are closer. He has shown he could be a reliable(2005). If we do go out and
get a new closer it will come from our bullpen or Farm system.

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Fred Garvin, Male Prostit

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:28 am
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Winnemac Mike

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 6:39 am
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Fred can spell real well, but can he say somethingthing intelligent. BFD.
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DvdD127

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Since: May 21, 2007
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:09 am
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On May 21, 6:52 am, "Gary S. Simon"
<garsc....RemoveThis@thisisatypo.pipeline.com> wrote:
> In article <Xns9936E4A29769AFredGar....RemoveThis@66.250.146.128>,
> "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nos....RemoveThis@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>
> > Saves vs. Save Opportunities (learn to spell, THEN post) is a useless
> > statistic. You can come into the game with a two-run lead, retire one
> > batter, and get a save. BFD.
>
> Although that's a possibility, it's a possibilitiy for all relievers.
> Is there some reason to believe that it's skewing the numbers (e.g.
> that Dempster gets proportionately more such save opportunities than
> others)?
>
> OTOH, Demptser wassn't even in line for a save on Thursday against
> the Mets (because the Cubs led by four when he entered the game to start
> the ninth innning). Accordingly, he didn't get a blown save. I have
> no data to indicate that Dempster does this sort of thing more often
> than other relievers (although many Cubs fans share the sense that he
> does).
>
> FWLIW, if such a meltdown were counted as a blown save, it could
> drive a hypothetical 34-save reliever's save percentage down from 85%
> (34 of 40) to 83% (34 of 41).

He was not in line for the save.. but should not have put Eyre.. or
whoever it was that was brought in after him in a position to get a
blown save........ because he has been the most consistent guy out of
our pen aside from wuertz.
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Gary S. Simon

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:52 am
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In article <Xns9936E4A29769AFredGarvin.TakeThisOut@66.250.146.128>,
"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" <nospam.TakeThisOut@whitehouse.gov> wrote:


> Saves vs. Save Opportunities (learn to spell, THEN post) is a useless
> statistic. You can come into the game with a two-run lead, retire one
> batter, and get a save. BFD.



Although that's a possibility, it's a possibilitiy for all relievers.
Is there some reason to believe that it's skewing the numbers (e.g.
that Dempster gets proportionately more such save opportunities than
others)?

OTOH, Demptser wassn't even in line for a save on Thursday against
the Mets (because the Cubs led by four when he entered the game to start
the ninth innning). Accordingly, he didn't get a blown save. I have
no data to indicate that Dempster does this sort of thing more often
than other relievers (although many Cubs fans share the sense that he
does).

FWLIW, if such a meltdown were counted as a blown save, it could
drive a hypothetical 34-save reliever's save percentage down from 85%
(34 of 40) to 83% (34 of 41).
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