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EBjazz

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:11 pm
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Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?

*Note:

A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.

Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.

Why?

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Tonawanda Kardex

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:18 pm
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On Apr 24, 6:11 pm, "EBjazz" <B....DeleteThis@hole.com> wrote:
> Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> *Note:
>
> A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> Why?

Two words:

Markee Valyoo.

Er, three words:

Bandwagon.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:34 pm
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On Apr 24, 3:18 pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar....DeleteThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 24, 6:11 pm, "EBjazz" <B....DeleteThis@hole.com> wrote:
>
> > Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> > *Note:
>
> > A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> > Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> > Why?
>
> Two words:
>
> Markee Valyoo.
>
> Er, three words:
>
> Bandwagon.


Another few words: "Finley," who antagonized Bay Area broadcasting,
and "current ownership," which does nothing to change matters. I live
less than 100 miles from the Coliseum and cannot get a radio broadcast
here in Monterey.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:50 pm
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On Apr 24, 3:38�pm, Brian Perry <bperry1... RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> People just like the Giants more?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:39 pm
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On Apr 24, 4:11 pm, "EBjazz" <B... RemoveThis @hole.com> wrote:
> Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> *Note:
>
> A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> Why?
>
> --www.BolvinMusic.com

Supply and Demand.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:38 pm
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EBjazz wrote:
> Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> *Note:
>
> A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> Why?
>

People just like the Giants more?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:44 pm
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:38:48 -0400, Brian Perry
<bperry1397.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

>EBjazz wrote:
>> Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>>
>> *Note:
>>
>> A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>>
>> Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>
>People just like the Giants more?

The Giants are more exciting, playing the small ball that the A's
popularized. They play in a better stadium and they play in a better
part of the Bay Area. That and the fact that Sam is an idiot make the
whole thing academic.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:47 am
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> JW wrote:
> The Giants are more exciting, playing the small ball that the A's
> popularized. They play in a better stadium and they play in a better
> part of the Bay Area. That and the fact that Sam is an idiot make the
> whole thing academic.

The Sam part is pretty tempting. The rest... eh.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:21 am
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:11:08 -0700 "EBjazz" <Bung DeleteThis @hole.com> carved
the following into the hard stone of alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants
>Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
>*Note:
>
>A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
>Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
>Why?

NL West Standings:

Arizona 16-6
Colorado 10-12
San Francisco 10-13
Los Angeles 9-13
San Diego 9-14

You were saying about last place?

Face it, the Giants have a larger fan base even in losing years.
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his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel
them?" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN-1784
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Tonawanda Kardex

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:03 pm
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On Apr 24, 6:34 pm, "rbbom...@netzero.com" <rbbom... DeleteThis @netzero.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 24, 3:18 pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar... DeleteThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 6:11 pm, "EBjazz" <B... DeleteThis @hole.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> > > *Note:
>
> > > A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> > > Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> > > Why?
>
> > Two words:
>
> > Markee Valyoo.
>
> > Er, three words:
>
> > Bandwagon.
>
> Another few words: "Finley," who antagonized Bay Area broadcasting,
> and "current ownership," which does nothing to change matters. I live
> less than 100 miles from the Coliseum and cannot get a radio broadcast
> here in Monterey.

Really? I have a house in Carmel, and I can usually pick up the AM
broadcasts.
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Tonawanda Kardex

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:23 pm
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On Apr 24, 6:38 pm, Brian Perry <bperry1....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> EBjazz wrote:
> > Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> > *Note:
>
> > A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> > Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> > Why?
>
> People just like the Giants more?

1) The Giants were in the Bay Area ten years before the A's were,
which is a huge market advantage in any industry. When you can gain a
foothold in a big market with no competition, you're bound to collect
a huge following that will last for generations, as the interest and
loyalty is basically hereditary;

2) When the Giants moved here for 1958, they were bringing a
significant tradition with them as well from New York. While they
haven't upheld that tradition well in San Francisco, the Giants still
represent one of the marquee franchises in MLB history. In conjunction
with the thought above, this cannot be underestimated. Think about
1992 when the Giants appeared to be leaving -- would anyone care if
the A's left? The Giants are like the Cubs, basically -- they are a
regional institution;

3) The A's came here from Kansas City, where there was no tradition
except that of being the Yankees' major league farm team. Even before
the move to Kansas City, the A's had been irrelevant in Philadelphia
for the better part of two decades. Despite winning almost from the
moment they showed up in Oakland, there was never a huge anticipation
for their arrival, etc. And as noted, other than the small die-hard
fan base, who would care if the A's left?;

4) While the A's franchise certainly has comparable roots to the
Giants' franchise, the inconsistency of the A's in the Mack years (win
big and then sell off parts) has extended through the Finley years and
even into the 1990s and now. That does hurt a fan base, while the
Giants are like the Cubs (again, an apt analogy): they keep connecting
with fans even when the team isn't winning any championships, because
there is tradition, loyalty, etc., involved. The same cannot be said
for the Oakland franchise, despite its plethora of division titles,
six AL pennants and four World Series championships;

5) Even when the A's were winning three straight World Series in
Oakland, they didn't draw well. Gertrude Stein can explain this one,
I'm sure;

For the above reasons (at least), the A's have not been able to
attract a large number of fans on a consistent basis despite winning
significantly more than the Giants have on the baseball diamond.

I grew up in an affluent East Bay community where many A's players
lived -- no one was a Giants fan in my town. It was geographic more
than anything else, I'm sure, but as I've gotten older, a lot of those
people who were A's fans are now Giants fans instead.

Why? Probably a handful of the reasons above, for in the end, San
Francisco? Best city in the U.S.A., while Oakland is a relatively
armpit: there is no "there" there. And if that's what people want,
they have that option in the San Francisco Giants franchise -- Cubs
West.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:55 pm
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"Tonawanda Kardex" <tonawandakardex.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I grew up in an affluent East Bay community where many A's players
> lived -- no one was a Giants fan in my town. It was geographic more
> than anything else, I'm sure, but as I've gotten older, a lot of those
> people who were A's fans are now Giants fans instead.

Hmm... sounds like a smart community, except for one idiot who became a
lowlife troll and even A's fans don't like him. Probably the only one in
the community who had to lie about where he graduated too. Smile
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:57 pm
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"Shooty Canseco" <shootycanseco RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The A's fans I know accept that Americans routinely choose Toby Keith over
> Wilco, that Californians routinely choose the hot dog case at AM/PM

In that case the A's should really consider getting their Wed night $1
hotdogs from AM/PM. Wink
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:57 pm
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On Apr 25, 1:03 pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 24, 6:34 pm, "rbbom...@netzero.com" <rbbom....RemoveThis@netzero.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 3:18 pm, Tonawanda Kardex <tonawandakar....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 24, 6:11 pm, "EBjazz" <B....RemoveThis@hole.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Why are all Giant week DAY games on TV and none of the A's are?
>
> > > > *Note:
>
> > > > A's- 1st place, exiting young team full of prospects.
>
> > > > Giants- Last place, two good young pitchers and no hope.
>
> > > > Why?
>
> > > Two words:
>
> > > Markee Valyoo.
>
> > > Er, three words:
>
> > > Bandwagon.
>
> > Another few words: "Finley," who antagonized Bay Area broadcasting,
> > and "current ownership," which does nothing to change matters. I live
> > less than 100 miles from the Coliseum and cannot get a radio broadcast
> > here in Monterey.
>
> Really? I have a house in Carmel, and I can usually pick up the AM
> broadcasts.

I was camping in Cambria last summer and could get the A's game. It
was real scratchy, but I could follow the game. And that's way south
of Monterey Bay.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:53 pm
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> Douglas Berry wrote:
> Face it, the Giants have a larger fan base even in losing years.

They do. The Giants have more people who proclaim themselves as Giants
fans, and they also sell more merchandise.

When it comes to truly serious fans, however, and not merely casual
non-fans who buy a hat and attend a game but can't remember the score,
the numbers are more even, I believe. Maybe still skewed a bit in the
Giants' favor, but if so, not by as much as some want to portray. The
fact that, until PacBell opened, the two teams always see-sawed
back-and-forth in attendance bears that out.
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