What Will it Take....???

Relocate the team to New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis or even Minnesota and they'll be forced to win quick! Chicago Cubs fans accept a loser and, that's a problem. The fans and the city relish Wrigley Field and day baseball more than they want a winner. The fans surrounding the team are more interesting in making money and controlling the teams ownership than providing the team what it needs to win.

It is the time to give Wrigley Field to the city for preservation and let the city convince the Cubs, Sox and Brewers to play a few day games there every year. Let's build a "real" baseball stadium and play night baseball like everyone else.

The present situation preserves Wrigley Field along with day games while making it nearly impossible for the team to compete on an equal level with the competion. There is a definite problem when a team cannot put consecutive winning seasons together for over 30 years! These are not the Devil Rays. All have not been poorly assembled - not every year. There have been some very good teams and those teams linger in our memories; the John Holland and Leo Durocher teams of 1967-73, Herman Franks in 1977, the 1982-1989 Tribune Company teams assembled by Dallas Green with Jim Frey and Don Zimmer managing, the Sammy Sosa era that was managed by some very good managers with very good credentials. and now the Hendry era with Baker and Piniela.

The Tribune Company has apparently tried harder to field a winner than we may have known. Think about it. The players and the teams haven't been all bad; they are just unable to effectively compete because (1) the Wrigley family refused to install lights and, (2) the fans and the city refuse to allow more night games and, (3) Wrigley field is now a historical landmark and cannot be rennovated or allowed night games without city and fan approval.

There is absolutely no competitive balance in their schedule. The physical effects of day baseball are enormous and beyond fan comprehension. These guys play against the best baseball atheletes in the world.

The Yankees ownership throughout their history certainly would never aacept anything that would detract from the teams ability to win games - much less a championship. The Cubs were a class organization that frequently won the league crown from 1869 through 1938. Their owners did everything in their power and financial purse to ensure that Chicago was a city second to none, including New York. There was pride of ownership, players and fans alike.

P. K. Wrigley did an injustice to the team and its' fans by refusing to install lights. Afterall, he already had a money machine from the chewing gum industry. The man had no need to field a winning team if it meant having to pay for it.

The Tribune Company had the right idea; however, their hands were tied when the fans and the city refused to allow a "normal" schedule of night games and even further when Wrigley Field was named a historical landmark. Most owners would have built a new stadium and moved the team; however, the fans and politicians refuse to accept the idea. They'd rather have a loser playing day baseball in their wonderful old park than a winning team.

Screw the fans around Wrigley Field and city politicians - it is time for a a winner and a championship. Time for a new stadium and a normal schedule of night games to restore competitive balance for the Cubs and their ownership.

GEO.
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It's a typical Cub year so far.


On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:29:52 -0700, The old geezer <JYOB.TakeThisOut@aol.com>
wrote:

>...to get the Cubs season turned around. Right now they're just
>treading water. The season is almost at the halfway point. The Cubs
>need to put together some LONG winning streaks.
>
>Your opinion? Thoughts? Comments???
>
>The old geezer
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: <Groups.TakeThisOut@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:
:
: > Relocate the team to New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis or even Minnesota and
: > they'll be forced to win quick! Chicago Cubs fans accept a loser and, that's
: > a problem.
:
: I stopped reading at that point.
:
:
: G


That's the problem with Cubs fans, they are narrow minded and refuse to listen to reason, even when a solution might be forthcoming. The machine gun never would have been invented if generals refused to look for improvement.

Read on my Cub Buddies...

GEO.
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In article <5UDdi.4897$c06.1742@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, iGenNews
<Groups RemoveThis @theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:

> Relocate the team to New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis or even Minnesota and
> they'll be forced to win quick! Chicago Cubs fans accept a loser and, that's
> a problem.

I stopped reading at that point.


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True....Wrigley Field is part of the problem.

It is so small and easy to fill with poeple. The general manager has
no pressure to fill the ballpark. Now suppose the Cubs played in
Cleveland's Municiple stadium, then there is pressure to fill the
park. When you do fill the park, you have money for better players.

Small park plus big population center mean no pressure on the GM.


On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:44:29 -0700, "iGenNews"
<Groups.DeleteThis@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:

>It is the time to give Wrigley Field to the city for preservation
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"iGenNews" <Groups.RemoveThis@theLOCALfolks.com> said:
> : <Groups.RemoveThis@theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:
> : : > Relocate the team to New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis or even
> Minnesota and
> : > they'll be forced to win quick! Chicago Cubs fans accept a loser
> and, that's a problem.
> : : I stopped reading at that point.
> : : G
>
> That's the problem with Cubs fans, they are narrow minded and refuse to
> listen to reason, even when a solution might be forthcoming. The
> machine gun never would have been invented if generals refused to look
> for improvement.
>
> Read on my Cub Buddies...
>
That's the problem with someone thinking that changing a freakin'
stadium will somehow have any major impact on the team's record (take a
look at historical records before you make such asinine statements).
Let alone someone who seriously thinks lumping a group of fans together
in a stereotype somehow gives him *any* credibility.


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On 2007-06-19 14:11:04 -0700, Al Bundy <abundy.TakeThisOut@later.com> said:

> mall park plus big population center mean no pressure on the GM.

Right.
Because all the other teams that fit that description prove that
hypothesis soooo completely right.


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<The G>; "no C" <abuse RemoveThis @blink45.com> wrote in message news:2007062105431416807%abuse@blink45com...
: "iGenNews" <Groups RemoveThis @theLOCALfolks.com> said:
: > : <Groups RemoveThis @theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:
: > : : > Relocate the team to New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis or even
: > Minnesota and
: > : > they'll be forced to win quick! Chicago Cubs fans accept a loser
: > and, that's a problem.
: > : : I stopped reading at that point.
: > : : G
: >
: > That's the problem with Cubs fans, they are narrow minded and refuse to
: > listen to reason, even when a solution might be forthcoming. The
: > machine gun never would have been invented if generals refused to look
: > for improvement.
: >
: > Read on my Cub Buddies...
: >
: That's the problem with someone thinking that changing a freakin'
: stadium will somehow have any major impact on the team's record (take a
: look at historical records before you make such asinine statements).
: Let alone someone who seriously thinks lumping a group of fans together
: in a stereotype somehow gives him *any* credibility.
:
:
: G

Apparently the "G" has spoken!

Why the attack? Why not just read, reply or move on? Does a differing comment really bother you that much?

I've been to Wrigley field more often than I can count, talked to players, compared ball grips and batting styles with players, played at Commisky Park (non-professionally) and been an avid fan since 1967. I like the Cubs and been a member of this group since 1999; I just don't understand why some individuals resort to attacking other members. Would you prefer that anyone with a different opinion leave?

GEO.
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Fisrt of all they need to get everybody healthy. They still need a true
leadoff man and a #2 hitter. Move Soriano to bat behind either Lee or
Aramis. Need a better bullpen who can be consistent day in and day out,
although they did a pretty good job against the Rangers but then again
its the Rangers. And trading away Barrett aint going to cut it. They
should of waited when Lee's suspension was over and when Aramis came
back from the disabled list.
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On 2007-06-21 11:33:57 -0700, "iGenNews" <Groups DeleteThis @theLOCALfolks.com> said:
> <The G>; "no C" <abuse DeleteThis @blink45.com> wrote in message
> news:2007062105431416807%abuse@blink45com...
> : "iGenNews" <Groups DeleteThis @theLOCALfolks.com> said:
> : > : <Groups DeleteThis @theLOCALfolks.com> wrote:
> : > : : > Relocate the team to New York, Los Angeles, St. Louis or even
> : > : : > Minnesota and they'll be forced to win quick! Chicago Cubs
> fans accept a loser
> : > : : > and, that's a problem.
> : > : : >
> : > : : I stopped reading at that point.
> : > : : G
> : > : >
> : > : > That's the problem with Cubs fans, they are narrow minded and
> refuse to
> : > listen to reason, even when a solution might be forthcoming. The
> : > machine gun never would have been invented if generals refused to look
> : > for improvement.
> : > : > Read on my Cub Buddies...
> : > : >
> : That's the problem with someone thinking that changing a freakin'
> : stadium will somehow have any major impact on the team's record (take a
> : look at historical records before you make such asinine statements).
> : Let alone someone who seriously thinks lumping a group of fans together
> : in a stereotype somehow gives him *any* credibility.
> : : : G
>
> Apparently the "G" has spoken!
>
> Getting ahead of the conversation here, but *this* is not a snide
> attack on me personally?

Why the attack?
>
> Where did I attack? My first comment simply said I stopped reading, and
> the second one points out the that you were speaking in broad
> stereotypes with absolutely no supporting evidence. While I did not
> offer any links myself, at least I alluded (correctly) to the fact that
> there was evidence to prove you wrong.

Why not just read, reply or move on?
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe I did all three.

Does a differing comment really bother you that much?
>
> No. Does being told you are wrong bother you so?

I've been to Wrigley field more often than I can count, talked to
players, compared ball grips and batting styles with players, played at
Commisky Park (non-professionally) and been an avid fan since 1967. I
like the Cubs and been a member of this group since 1999; I just don't
understand why some individuals resort to attacking other members.
Would you prefer that anyone with a different opinion leave?
>
> Not sure if I understand were your hurt feelings are coming from, but
> let us try this logic: How would you even know if there were differing
> opinions if I did not post my original two responses? Seems to be that
> *you* are the one who does not like another's opinion.


G
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