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mercutio

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:47 pm
Post subject: I'm confused help me out here (Swisher to Sox for 3 players)
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Well it would seem that we just aquirred Swisher from the A's for Gio
Gonzales,Ryan Sweeney, and Fautino De Los Santos.
Now it seems that Swisher hit .262 with 22 homers and 78 RBI in 150
games in 2007, and played right field and first base. The part that
confuses me is that we already have a right fieldr that will hit those
kind of numbers (Dye) and a first baseman (Kornerko) and a sub for
that first baseman(Thome). We also have Josh Fields and he should be
the 4th outfielder (because he sure isn't a third baseman)
Now to get this guy that we don't really seem to need we gave up Gio
Gonzales (the guy we traded away Rowand for because we made a mistake
when we traded him to the Phillies the first time with Garcia for
Gavin Floyd) ( the Sox would not trade Rowand for Thome even up
Gonzales had to be part of the deal). Now Gonzales led all minor
leaguebaseball in stikeouts last year and was 9-7 with a 3.18 ERA in
27 starts and was selected to the Southern League midseason and
postseason All-Star team (double A)

21-year-old De Los Santos went 9-4 with a 2.40 ERA in 15 starts and
six relief appearances for Class A Kannapolis in 2007.

Sweeney, a 22-year-old left hitter, was among Chicago's top prospects
going into last season, when he batted .270 with 10 home runs and 47
RBI in 105 games for Triple-A Charlotte. He also hit .200 with a home
run and five RBI in 15 games for the White Sox.

Now here is where I 'm confused. Why do you trade 3 top prospect for a
guy that you really have no need for especially when 2 of them are
pitchers and you are dying for pitching?
I really know the answer Kenny Williams is not only unknowledgable
when it comes judging talent but doesn't have any plan at all. He
will wheel and deal this team into the cellar for the next few years
(he got a pretty good jump on that mission last year)
Jim

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James Squire

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:21 pm
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mercutio wrote:
> Well it would seem that we just aquirred Swisher from the A's for Gio
> Gonzales,Ryan Sweeney, and Fautino De Los Santos.
[snipped]

Apparently he played at least 60 games in CF last year and is quite
serviceable there.

To say we have no need for him is to assume he can only play RF
(apparently you think he can't even play LF?) and therefore his offense
means nothing because we already have a DH, who -- oh by the way -- can
get injured, but that's a separate discussion.

Baloney. Look at Swisher's OBP -- it is very good. He's a
switch-hitter. I assure you we will find a spot for him in the starting
lineup without disturbing Dye or Konerko.
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Lois Maxwell, who starred as Miss Moneypenny in 14 James Bond movies,
has died, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported Sunday. She was 80.
R.I.P., Miss Moneypenny, 1927-2007
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"When a warship jumps to normal space, it's briefly out of contact
because of the energy drain. It might have been attacked during that
period. But that couldn't happen unless...unless they knew the ship
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Jeff Dieterle

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:44 am
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Looks to me this trade opens some room to move Crede or Fields (which is not
what I want), if Swisher plays left and Owens stays in center. But if
Swisher takes over center then Fields moves to left and Crede stays. I see
this move as providing some flexibility depending on Crede's health or I
hate to say it trade value.


"James Squire" <JamesSquire.TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message
news:qojfj.78$lr6.35@newsfe06.lga...
> mercutio wrote:
>> Well it would seem that we just aquirred Swisher from the A's for Gio
>> Gonzales,Ryan Sweeney, and Fautino De Los Santos.
> [snipped]
>
> Apparently he played at least 60 games in CF last year and is quite
> serviceable there.
>
> To say we have no need for him is to assume he can only play RF
> (apparently you think he can't even play LF?) and therefore his offense
> means nothing because we already have a DH, who -- oh by the way -- can
> get injured, but that's a separate discussion.
>
> Baloney. Look at Swisher's OBP -- it is very good. He's a switch-hitter.
> I assure you we will find a spot for him in the starting lineup without
> disturbing Dye or Konerko.
> --
> Jim Squire
> This Blog Has No Title, Just Words and Links
> http://jamessquire.blogspot.com/
> Lois Maxwell, who starred as Miss Moneypenny in 14 James Bond movies,
> has died, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported Sunday. She was 80.
> R.I.P., Miss Moneypenny, 1927-2007
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "When a warship jumps to normal space, it's briefly out of contact
> because of the energy drain. It might have been attacked during that
> period. But that couldn't happen unless...unless they knew the ship
> was coming and were waiting for it. But no one knew, except..."
> -- G'Kar, "Revelations"
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Jeff Dieterle

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:24 pm
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Hey I just though of another option, Anderson in center. If he's outta the
dog house and has a good spring the outfield looks much better defensively
with Fields coming off the bench.

"Jeff Dieterle" <djdieterle DeleteThis @lhughes.net> wrote in message
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> Looks to me this trade opens some room to move Crede or Fields (which is
> not what I want), if Swisher plays left and Owens stays in center. But if
> Swisher takes over center then Fields moves to left and Crede stays. I see
> this move as providing some flexibility depending on Crede's health or I
> hate to say it trade value.
>
>
> "James Squire" <JamesSquire DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message
> news:qojfj.78$lr6.35@newsfe06.lga...
>> mercutio wrote:
>>> Well it would seem that we just aquirred Swisher from the A's for Gio
>>> Gonzales,Ryan Sweeney, and Fautino De Los Santos.
>> [snipped]
>>
>> Apparently he played at least 60 games in CF last year and is quite
>> serviceable there.
>>
>> To say we have no need for him is to assume he can only play RF
>> (apparently you think he can't even play LF?) and therefore his offense
>> means nothing because we already have a DH, who -- oh by the way -- can
>> get injured, but that's a separate discussion.
>>
>> Baloney. Look at Swisher's OBP -- it is very good. He's a
>> switch-hitter. I assure you we will find a spot for him in the starting
>> lineup without disturbing Dye or Konerko.
>> --
>> Jim Squire
>> This Blog Has No Title, Just Words and Links
>> http://jamessquire.blogspot.com/
>> Lois Maxwell, who starred as Miss Moneypenny in 14 James Bond movies,
>> has died, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported Sunday. She was 80.
>> R.I.P., Miss Moneypenny, 1927-2007
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "When a warship jumps to normal space, it's briefly out of contact
>> because of the energy drain. It might have been attacked during that
>> period. But that couldn't happen unless...unless they knew the ship
>> was coming and were waiting for it. But no one knew, except..."
>> -- G'Kar, "Revelations"
>
>
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sdrahcir

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:11 pm
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On Jan 4, 9:44 am, "Jeff Dieterle" <djdiete... DeleteThis @lhughes.net> wrote:
> Looks to me this trade opens some room to move Crede or Fields (which is not
> what I want), if Swisher plays left and Owens stays in center. But if
> Swisher takes over center then Fields moves to left and Crede stays. I see
> this move as providing some flexibility depending on Crede's health or I
> hate to say it trade value.
>

My guess is they will move Crede. I don't agree with this, but
knowing Reinsdorf's history with Boras and his (Reinsdorf's)
reluctance to give out longterm contracts for large $ this is what I
expect.
Field's at 3rd will weaken the defense. Maybe this is why they picked
up Cabrerra.

My main questions are these: who can we depend on in the starting
pitching after Buerhrle & Vasquez?
Who's going to play 2nd base?
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Tom Benton

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:54 am
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sdrahcir wrote:
> On Jan 4, 9:44 am, "Jeff Dieterle" <djdiete... RemoveThis @lhughes.net> wrote:
>
>>Looks to me this trade opens some room to move Crede or Fields (which is not
>>what I want), if Swisher plays left and Owens stays in center. But if
>>Swisher takes over center then Fields moves to left and Crede stays. I see
>>this move as providing some flexibility depending on Crede's health or I
>>hate to say it trade value.
>>
>
>
> My guess is they will move Crede. I don't agree with this, but
> knowing Reinsdorf's history with Boras and his (Reinsdorf's)
> reluctance to give out longterm contracts for large $ this is what I
> expect.
> Field's at 3rd will weaken the defense. Maybe this is why they picked
> up Cabrerra.
>
> My main questions are these: who can we depend on in the starting
> pitching after Buerhrle & Vasquez?
> Who's going to play 2nd base?


It looks like Richar and the new guy (Ramirez?) will have to fight it
out (or platoon) at second. I dunno, it looks like there are a lot of
guys on the team that are versatile but don't have a natural position.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:18 am
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> > My main questions are these: who can we depend on in the starting
> > pitching after Buerhrle & Vasquez?
> > Who's going to play 2nd base?
>
> It looks like Richar and the new guy (Ramirez?) will have to fight it
> out (or platoon) at second. I dunno, it looks like there are a lot of
> guys on the team that are versatile but don't have a natural position.- Hide quoted text -
>

Did Ramirez have any experience at 2B in Cuba?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:43 pm
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sdrahcir wrote:
>>>My main questions are these: who can we depend on in the starting
>>>pitching after Buerhrle & Vasquez?
>>>Who's going to play 2nd base?
>>
>>It looks like Richar and the new guy (Ramirez?) will have to fight it
>>out (or platoon) at second. I dunno, it looks like there are a lot of
>>guys on the team that are versatile but don't have a natural position.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
>
> Did Ramirez have any experience at 2B in Cuba?
>


I understand that he played primarily 2nd in Cuba though he preferred short.
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