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Blair P. Houghton

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:55 pm
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Latest I heard is Sexson is arguing about extensions or
something, so maybe it's a matter of schmooze.

The Unit is on the hook, and probably a valuable wedge
for drawing good players into the city for a look.

Other than that, nobody is worth protecting.

Maybe Robby Hammock, but I'd package him for a real #2 pitcher.

--Blair
"Is Ruby Durazo available?"

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YKW 04

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:04 am
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"Blair P. Houghton" <b.RemoveThis@p.h> wrote in message
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> Latest I heard is Sexson is arguing about extensions or
> something, so maybe it's a matter of schmooze.
>
> The Unit is on the hook, and probably a valuable wedge
> for drawing good players into the city for a look.
>
> Other than that, nobody is worth protecting.

Not Brandon Webb? Guys who throw over two hundred innings with ERAs around
three-and-a-half in their first full seasons don't exactly fall off the
vines at harvest time, y'know.

Chad Tracy performed fairly well -- and not just for a guy who didn't fit
into his team's plans as late as mid-April -- going 285/343/407 overall (and
a more impressive 305/365/439 against righties; one national publication
last spring called Tracy the next Rance Mulliniks, and they may not be far
off) in his very first look at big-league pitching. His error total was
ugly, but he led all NL 3Bs (and was second only to Oakland's Eric Chavez in
the majors) in range factor and was eighth among all regular MLB
hot-cornerites in double plays started.

After that, though, it does get kinda weak kinda quick. Aquino impressed at
times, but not enough so I'd be willing to keep him around if he could help
me land a 100-120 game catcher. Luis Terrero has "Oddibe McDowell" written
all over him -- both for good and for ill. Scottie Hairston is rapidly
becoming a tweener -- not quite good enough with the glove to handle second,
not quite good enough on flies to handle the outfield; not quite enough pop
with runners on to bat in the heart of the order, not quite enough
strike-zone judgment to lead off; not quite fast enough to be the big-time
base stealer he was supposed to be, not quite slow enough to have a "Stop"
sign fastened to his backside; and so on. None of the other relievers or
young hitters impressed much, if at all. The future of this team finished
the year at El Paso, though, and will get a chance to make the big jump next
spring.

> Maybe Robby Hammock, but I'd package him for a real #2 pitcher.

Better to grab a FA starter (or three!) while there's a glut in January
(after non-tenders are issued) and not give up anything of note. Hammock
could be useful in the super-utility role (alongside Hairston), plus he'll
still come very cheap for another two seasons. Plus, the way this club eats
through catchers, it can't hurt to have another one hanging around.

Now, if someone really gullible comes along, kicking the tires around Alex
Cintron.......

> --Blair
> "Is Ruby Durazo available?"

Now that he's pulled the I-can't-play-in-a-pressure-series trick on another
organization -- regardless of whether or not he really was injured each
time, it's perception that matters -- it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Especially since Nick Swisher has to play =somewhere=.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:26 am
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YKW 04 <usenetykw03-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Blair P. Houghton" <b.TakeThisOut@p.h> wrote in message
>news:tj08d.505901$yk.82508@news.easynews.com...
>> Latest I heard is Sexson is arguing about extensions or
>> something, so maybe it's a matter of schmooze.
>>
>> The Unit is on the hook, and probably a valuable wedge
>> for drawing good players into the city for a look.
>>
>> Other than that, nobody is worth protecting.
>
>Not Brandon Webb? Guys who throw over two hundred innings with ERAs around
>three-and-a-half in their first full seasons don't exactly fall off the
>vines at harvest time, y'know.

Worth dealing for hitting.

>Chad Tracy performed fairly well -- and not just for a guy who didn't fit
>into his team's plans as late as mid-April -- going 285/343/407 overall (and
>a more impressive 305/365/439 against righties; one national publication
>last spring called Tracy the next Rance Mulliniks, and they may not be far
>off) in his very first look at big-league pitching. His error total was
>ugly, but he led all NL 3Bs (and was second only to Oakland's Eric Chavez in
>the majors) in range factor and was eighth among all regular MLB
>hot-cornerites in double plays started.

All worth dealing for pitching.

>> Maybe Robby Hammock, but I'd package him for a real #2 pitcher.
>
>Better to grab a FA starter (or three!) while there's a glut in January
>(after non-tenders are issued) and not give up anything of note. Hammock
>could be useful in the super-utility role (alongside Hairston), plus he'll
>still come very cheap for another two seasons. Plus, the way this club eats
>through catchers, it can't hurt to have another one hanging around.

The catcher abbatoir thing has to stop sometime soon.

>Now, if someone really gullible comes along, kicking the tires around Alex
>Cintron.......

Nobody's that gullible. I don't even think he did what
he actually did this year. I never saw any of it happen.
It all showed up in highlights and stats.

>> "Is Ruby Durazo available?"
>
>Now that he's pulled the I-can't-play-in-a-pressure-series trick on another
>organization -- regardless of whether or not he really was injured each
>time, it's perception that matters -- it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Well there you go. We'll be needing a whole new string
of bent flippers when the current crop comes off the DL.

>Especially since Nick Swisher has to play =somewhere=.

The Zoom Room closed, so not there.

--Blair
"It wasn't so much a room as a bar
and a patio, anyway..."
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:10 pm
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Blair P. Houghton <b.DeleteThis@p.h> wrote:
> Worth dealing for hitting.

I don't think so. When Randy retires (or perish the thought, gets
traded), Brandon's going to be the closest thing to a staff ace in the
organization. He didn't have the most successful season ever, but
pitchers who seemingly come out of nowhere to have strong rookie seasons
seldom have strong sophomore campaigns, but a lot of them bounce back in
season three.

Webb's fundamentals are still generally solid. While his K/9 rate fell
from '03 (never a good thing), it was still strong (7.03), and he still
managed to put up a very good ERA for 2004 (3.59). His BBs got out of
control (119 in 208 IP, almost double the number he had in 2003), but
overall, his other fundamentals are still favorable for a long and
successful career. He's the most extreme GB/K pitcher since Kevin Brown.
And unlike most of the other "Baby Backs" from the class of '03, he was
healthy in 2004.

Ironically, in spite of his control problems in 2004, he actually made
fewer pitches per hitter in '04 than in '03 (3.70 vs 3.7Cool. If his K/9
rate drops again in '05, it'll probably be too late to trade him, but if
it doesn't (or better yet, rebounds), trading him will be idiotic.

> All worth dealing for pitching.

Okay, make up your mind here. You've got a solid #2 pitcher (who very
well could be your staff ace in two or three years) that you want to trade
for hitting. You've got a mix of young hitters, some of whom might
actually be decent in the bigs for years to come, and you want to trade
them for pitching. You can't have it both ways. Either you can package a
bunch of promising mid-level guys for a pitcher, or you can package a
young, promising pitcher or two for a hitter. But either of those things
only works if you've got an abundance of young midlevel talent and only
need to fill a hole or two in your rotation, bullpen or batting order.

You aren't going to be able to rebuild this team by trading what little
talent it has (outside of Randy Johnson and Luis Gonzalez) for more
pitchers like Tickle-Me-Elmer or more hitters like Richie Sexson.

> The catcher abbatoir thing has to stop sometime soon.
[...]

I'd like to know what the hell was wrong with Chad Moeller. Okay, Rod
Barajas couldn't hit his way out of a butterfly swarm, but Moeller
actually seemed competent behind the plate, and at the plate (I know he
was lousy at throwing out basestealers, but is that really that big of a
deal these days?). Okay, now I see their '04 stats and Barajas actually
had a much better season at the plate than Moeller. Yikes. And Barajas
wasn't exactly making anybody forget Pudge Rodriguez.

Okay, so I guess the D-Backs knew something I didn't about Moeller.

BTW: Has anybody noticed how many ex-D-Backs are on the Red Sox and
Dodgers rosters?

Schilling, Alan Embree, BK and Mike Myers (!) are all on the Red Sox
roster, while Elmer Dessens, Brad Penny, Duaner Sanchez, Brent Mayne and
Steve Finley are on the Dodgers. I dunno if they're all on the postseason
rosters, though. In comparison, the Astros have one former D-Back (Russ
Springer), the Yankees have two (Bret Prinz, Travis Lee) and the St. Louis
Cardinals have three (Jeff Suppan, Tony Womack and Reggie Sanders).

I find it fascinating to see so many ex-D-Backs out there on the teams
that are most favored. The Dodgers have five, the Red Sox have four, the
St. Louis Cards have three and the Yankees have two. Nobody else in the
postseason has more than one.

--Paul
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:07 am
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"Blair P. Houghton" <b DeleteThis @p.h> wrote in message
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> YKW 04 <usenetykw03-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Not Brandon Webb? Guys who throw over two hundred innings with ERAs around
>>three-and-a-half in their first full seasons don't exactly fall off the
>>vines at harvest time, y'know.
>
> Worth dealing for hitting.

Which can just as easily be acquired in free agency without surrendering a
guy with All-Star-level talent -- despite number-three-starter-level
performance this season, which is still nothing to too-readily dismiss in
today's game -- whose salary levels for the next several years are both
affordable and locked-in.

>>Chad Tracy performed fairly well -- and not just for a guy who didn't fit
>>into his team's plans as late as mid-April -- going 285/343/407 overall
>>(and
>>a more impressive 305/365/439 against righties; one national publication
>>last spring called Tracy the next Rance Mulliniks, and they may not be far
>>off) in his very first look at big-league pitching. His error total was
>>ugly, but he led all NL 3Bs (and was second only to Oakland's Eric Chavez
>>in
>>the majors) in range factor and was eighth among all regular MLB
>>hot-cornerites in double plays started.
>
> All worth dealing for pitching.

Which can easily be obtained via the free-agent route, again without
surrendering top-level, low-cost talent (which is necessary to keep in order
to budget for big-name, big-performance, big-salary guys) like Tracy. Even
if the 'Backs go out and sign a 3B and either Hillenbrand or Gonzo wind up
at first in '05, Tracy still figures as the number-one backup at both
corners, in left, and as the top lefty bat off the bench. At $350K or so.

>>> Maybe Robby Hammock, but I'd package him for a real #2 pitcher.
>>
>>Better to grab a FA starter (or three!) while there's a glut in January
>>(after non-tenders are issued) and not give up anything of note. Hammock
>>could be useful in the super-utility role (alongside Hairston), plus he'll
>>still come very cheap for another two seasons. Plus, the way this club
>>eats
>>through catchers, it can't hurt to have another one hanging around.
>
> The catcher abbatoir thing has to stop sometime soon.

Montreal went an entire decade post-Kid without a single 100-GS catcher. It
can most certainly get worse -- and better to be prepared for worse than be
caught unawares.

>>Now, if someone really gullible comes along, kicking the tires around Alex
>>Cintron.......
>
> Nobody's that gullible.

Oh? Chicago actually gave up players (not great ones, but still players) to
get Alex "Not Worth A" S Gonzalez a few years back, gave him a big contract,
and then went out and played him every single day he was healthy for
two-and-a-half years. Minnesota has kept Cristian Guzman from a return to
the cane fields of the DR for six full seasons now. David Eckstein is
revered by Anaheim brass. Neifi Perez, Chris Gomez and Rich Aurilia all
managed to wring at least 300 PA out of allegedly bright baseball folk in
'04.

There is always a sucker willing to take the hook for someone's alleged
potential. =ALWAYS=. Especially with a guy one season removed from
317/359/489. Who hits his Age 26 year in '05.

> I don't even think he did what
> he actually did this year. I never saw any of it happen.
> It all showed up in highlights and stats.

And those, only the last two weeks of the season. But those may be the weeks
that stick with some scout whose team needs to fill a hole at short.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:59 am
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Paul Wylie <paul.RemoveThis@teamwylie.removemunged.org> wrote:
>Blair P. Houghton <b.RemoveThis@p.h> wrote:
>> Worth dealing for hitting.
>> All worth dealing for pitching.
>
>Okay, make up your mind here.

It's not my mind.

It's Moorad's.

And anyone's expendable, even the Unit, for the right horse-trade.

--Blair
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