How bout the Dodgers step up...

"Sam Hutcheson" <samh DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On May 31, 3:21 pm, "Triple" <rhag... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Triple: I will make the same comment to you as I made to someone else in
> this thread. Pardon me for not looking up who. If you feel the same way
> when
> someone totals your car and puts you in the hospital, I will give you
> credit
> for internal consistency. After all, driving is inherently dangerous.

<<If someone totals my car and is at fault his or her insurance will
cover the damage. If someone totals my car without fault my insurance
will cover the damage, in some combination with his. If she injures
me and is at fault she will be charged accordingly. Without fault,
she will not face charges.

That's the way it works.>>

When you take that check from the other driver's insurance company, you are
being compensated for the damage to your car and body (ie medical expenses)
even though you know driving a car is inherently dangerous. So, your
argument is that you should be compensated for being injured doing something
we all know is much more likely to end in injury that gong to a baseball
game and this lady should not be for taking a lesser risk. I suppose your
excuse is that there is no disclaimer on the back of your drivers license?
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Triple wrote:
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>> "Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> JSM75 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The team is not opening themselves to lawsuits unless they don't act. If
>>>> a team acts and pays such medical bills then it is highly unlikely a law
>>>> suit would go anywhere. The woman is just asking for help with her
>>>> medical bills.
>>> Funny, every year these types of lawsuits get filed by ambulance chasers
>>> looking for a quick buck, yet they constantly get dismissed. So much
>>> for your "theory"!
>>>
>>>> The fact is that the Dodgers should show respect to those who show up at
>>>> their games and get hurt by happen stance. This happens rarely enough
>>>> that it would not make a dent in the pocketbooks of professional sports
>>>> teams.
>>> The fact is that life is inherently dangerous, and people sitting within
>>> reach of fast-moving objects capable of flying off at random angles need
>>> to either accept the risk, or leave the area entirely.
>> No doubt her lawyers are trying to figure out if the "warning disclaimer"
>> outweighs the "MLB knows maple bats break badly and should have known
>> something like this would happen" to see if filing is warranted.
>>
>> If I were the Dodgers, I'd offer to help *somehow*. Doing nothing is just
>> poor. What will really look bad for LA is if they do nothing and Todd
>> Helton steps up to help her.
>
> IMO, he should too and is likely more responsible, IF he knew that type of
> bat shatters in such a dangerous way. Have we all forgotten Steve Yeager? If
> I were Helton and choose that type of bat, I'd feel bad enough to help.
>
> I was watching a game and a Red by the name of Freel dove into the stands
> and took out a little old lady. He hit her hard! He checked on her every
> time the teams moved from offense to defense and brought her all sorts of
> stuff. After a few innings, she had to leave. I will make you a gentleman's
> bet that she didn't sue.
>
> All it takes is for us to treat people with courtesy, respect and caring.
> This isn't all that complicated.
>
>

And as soon as they go beyond their CONTRACT just one time, every
ambulance chaser within 300 miles of a park will be filing a suit every
time someone slips on their own piss in the bathroom.
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"Triple" <rhager4.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "JSM75" <JSM75.DeleteThis@verizon.netNOSPAM> wrote in message
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>> http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-bats052908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
>>
>> and do the right thing?
>>
>> I have been in the line of a flying bat head and they are not easy to
>> avoid.
>> Worst case scenerio, any team should have the desire to pay the medical
>> bills for any such incident. Another example of petty greed. There is no
>> reason the Dodgers cannot afford 10 to 20 thousand dollars to cover this
>> ladies medical bills, or any other team for that matter.
>>
>
> I am a true blue Dodger fan...the Dodgers should step up. Yes, it will be
> a precedent. A precedent of a corporation actually caring about its
> customers because they are fellow human beings. How often can this happen
> a year? Lets say each team incurs 20K in costs a year. That isn't going to
> break them.
>
> You word the 'gift' made to these fans as a good will gesture or
> charitable or anything else. Lawyers are smart, they could figure out a
> way to do it that didn't set them up for something huge from a greedy ass.
>
Corporations can be called many things, but one thing they are is practical.
A corporation that survives primariliy on the basis of its relationship with
the community would be stupid to not defuse a situation like this. I don't
think precedent is an issue.( And what the hell's so terrible about the
precedent that if you get hurt at the game through no act of negligence on
your part, we'll help you out with the medical bills?) As I said, good
corporations are, at bottom, practical.. stupid ones go broke, and should.

S.
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Sam Hutcheson pisze:
> On May 30, 10:33 pm, "S/B 954RR" <jtibb....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Worst case scenerio, any team should have the desire to pay the medical
>>> bills for any such incident. Another example of petty greed. There is no
>>> reason the Dodgers cannot afford 10 to 20 thousand dollars to cover this
>>> ladies medical bills, or any other team for that matter.
>> precedent.
>
> A couple weeks back a guy who may or may not have been drinking fell
> down a few hundred feet of stairs at Turner Stadium (Atlanta) and
> died. Should the Braves or MLB pay his funeral bills? Of course not.
>
> There's a disclaimer at every game and usually on the ticket to keep
> your eyes out for foul balls and bats. It's sad that someone got
> hurt, certainly, but it's bad business to set precedent that the team/
> league is financially responsible for every one who does.

Ditto.

pzdr

TRad
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>> Triple wrote:
>>
>>> I am a true blue Dodger fan...the Dodgers should step up. Yes, it will
>>> be a precedent. A precedent of a corporation actually caring about its
>>> customers because they are fellow human beings. How often can this
>>> happen a year? Lets say each team incurs 20K in costs a year. That isn't
>>> going to break them.
>>
>> MOMMY, MAKE THE BIG BAD MEN PROTECT ME! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A
>> BUBBLE WHERE PEOPLE THROW MONEY AT ME EVERY TIME LIFE HAPPENS!
>
> Decent people treat people decently. If I leave a rake out in my yard and
> the mailman steps on it and breaks his nose, I am going to pay the doctor
> bill.
>
> If I see someone get smacked with a rake in someone else's yard, I'll
> drive him to the hospital.
>
> That is what human beings do. We take care of each other. That is how a
> healthy society works. This woman isn't asking to make a fortune yet. She
> is asking to be have medical expenses covered for something that happened
> due to faulty equipment (i.e. these maple bats). That isn't unreasonable.
> Now, if she immediately sued for a million, that would be the whiner you
> are making her out to be.
>
> The lawsuits happen when corporations fail to act like good descent
> citizens.

Triple, I understand where you are coming from, really I do..but in the
grand scheme of things we all need to take responsibility for ourselves. The
very fact that she would ask for them to pay her for anything says she
"blames" them in some way. If someone comes to visit me at my home and
parks in the street..then has their car broken into to. Should I feel some
sort of responsibility and pay them? And don't go dishing that maple bat
defense. Bats break. It could have been a ball coming into the stands too
fast to react too. It could have been a bat that slipped out of someones
hand...heck...it could have been the ice cream vendor that slipped and
landed on her. Life is messy and the result is not always easy to deal with
but we do. I am sorry she got hurt at a game but it's not the Dodgers, the
player, the bat manufacturers or anyone elses responsibility to pay for
it..nor is it their moral obligation.

AG
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>>> Triple wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am a true blue Dodger fan...the Dodgers should step up. Yes, it will
>>>> be a precedent. A precedent of a corporation actually caring about its
>>>> customers because they are fellow human beings. How often can this
>>>> happen a year? Lets say each team incurs 20K in costs a year. That
>>>> isn't going to break them.
>>>
>>> MOMMY, MAKE THE BIG BAD MEN PROTECT ME! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN A
>>> BUBBLE WHERE PEOPLE THROW MONEY AT ME EVERY TIME LIFE HAPPENS!
>>
>> Decent people treat people decently. If I leave a rake out in my yard and
>> the mailman steps on it and breaks his nose, I am going to pay the doctor
>> bill.
>>
>> If I see someone get smacked with a rake in someone else's yard, I'll
>> drive him to the hospital.
>>
>> That is what human beings do. We take care of each other. That is how a
>> healthy society works. This woman isn't asking to make a fortune yet. She
>> is asking to be have medical expenses covered for something that happened
>> due to faulty equipment (i.e. these maple bats). That isn't unreasonable.
>> Now, if she immediately sued for a million, that would be the whiner you
>> are making her out to be.
>>
>> The lawsuits happen when corporations fail to act like good descent
>> citizens.
>
> Triple, I understand where you are coming from, really I do..but in the
> grand scheme of things we all need to take responsibility for ourselves.
> The very fact that she would ask for them to pay her for anything says she
> "blames" them in some way. If someone comes to visit me at my home and
> parks in the street..then has their car broken into to. Should I feel
> some sort of responsibility and pay them? And don't go dishing that maple
> bat defense. Bats break.

Have you listened to the Dodgers' games lately? The broadcasters having been
whining about those bats for quit a while. They don't just break like ash
bats, they explode with very sharp fragments. There have been two on the
field injuries this year from sharp maple bat fragments. When is the last
time you heard that?

The article even states the MLB and the Players Union is meeting over the
problem of the maple bats. They are no different from any other defective
product.

It could have been a ball coming into the stands too
> fast to react too. It could have been a bat that slipped out of someones
> hand...heck...

Yup and good corporate relations means you look at each case and do what you
can. Same with being a good human. I once worked for a political campaign
and was really low on money. The guy above me was rich. Always bought my
lunch and even paid for a parking ticket that occurred due to the lousy
location. Guess what? When I became more self-sufficient, I did that for the
next fellow.

Isn't that a better way to live that dodging responsibility? Here, someone
assumed responsibility that wasn't his at all and did me a good turn that I
have passed on to others. Same thing can happen here.


it could have been the ice cream vendor that slipped and
> landed on her.

Well, then he should be executed. I mean what a waste of ice cream.

>Life is messy and the result is not always easy to deal with but we do. I
>am sorry she got hurt at a game but it's not the Dodgers, the player, the
>bat manufacturers or anyone elses responsibility to pay for it..nor is it
>their moral obligation.
>

Okay, like the other fellow. Don't file and insurance claim the next time
someone takes out your car.
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>>>> Triple wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am a true blue Dodger fan...the Dodgers should step up. Yes, it will
>>>>> be a precedent. A precedent of a corporation actually caring about its
>>>>> customers because they are fellow human beings. How often can this
>>>>> happen a year? Lets say each team incurs 20K in costs a year. That
>>>>> isn't going to break them.
>>>>
>>>> MOMMY, MAKE THE BIG BAD MEN PROTECT ME! I SHOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE IN
>>>> A BUBBLE WHERE PEOPLE THROW MONEY AT ME EVERY TIME LIFE HAPPENS!
>>>
>>> Decent people treat people decently. If I leave a rake out in my yard
>>> and the mailman steps on it and breaks his nose, I am going to pay the
>>> doctor bill.
>>>
>>> If I see someone get smacked with a rake in someone else's yard, I'll
>>> drive him to the hospital.
>>>
>>> That is what human beings do. We take care of each other. That is how a
>>> healthy society works. This woman isn't asking to make a fortune yet.
>>> She is asking to be have medical expenses covered for something that
>>> happened due to faulty equipment (i.e. these maple bats). That isn't
>>> unreasonable. Now, if she immediately sued for a million, that would be
>>> the whiner you are making her out to be.
>>>
>>> The lawsuits happen when corporations fail to act like good descent
>>> citizens.
>>
>> Triple, I understand where you are coming from, really I do..but in the
>> grand scheme of things we all need to take responsibility for ourselves.
>> The very fact that she would ask for them to pay her for anything says
>> she "blames" them in some way. If someone comes to visit me at my home
>> and parks in the street..then has their car broken into to. Should I
>> feel some sort of responsibility and pay them? And don't go dishing that
>> maple bat defense. Bats break.
>
> Have you listened to the Dodgers' games lately? The broadcasters having
> been whining about those bats for quit a while. They don't just break like
> ash bats, they explode with very sharp fragments. There have been two on
> the field injuries this year from sharp maple bat fragments. When is the
> last time you heard that?
>
> The article even states the MLB and the Players Union is meeting over the
> problem of the maple bats. They are no different from any other defective
> product.
>
> It could have been a ball coming into the stands too
>> fast to react too. It could have been a bat that slipped out of someones
>> hand...heck...
>
> Yup and good corporate relations means you look at each case and do what
> you can. Same with being a good human. I once worked for a political
> campaign and was really low on money. The guy above me was rich. Always
> bought my lunch and even paid for a parking ticket that occurred due to
> the lousy location. Guess what? When I became more self-sufficient, I did
> that for the next fellow.
>
> Isn't that a better way to live that dodging responsibility? Here, someone
> assumed responsibility that wasn't his at all and did me a good turn that
> I have passed on to others. Same thing can happen here.
>
>
> it could have been the ice cream vendor that slipped and
>> landed on her.
>
> Well, then he should be executed. I mean what a waste of ice cream.
>
>>Life is messy and the result is not always easy to deal with but we do. I
>>am sorry she got hurt at a game but it's not the Dodgers, the player, the
>>bat manufacturers or anyone elses responsibility to pay for it..nor is it
>>their moral obligation.
>>
>
> Okay, like the other fellow. Don't file and insurance claim the next time
> someone takes out your car.

AG, that sounded snotty but I didn't type it snotty. <grin> Sorry.
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"Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Funny, every year these types of lawsuits get filed by ambulance chasers
> looking for a quick buck, yet they constantly get dismissed. So much for
> your "theory"!

The lawsuits were never about knowing the actual type of wooden bat itself
was dangerous. However, the woman is only threatening lawsuit because her
medical bills are not paid.

Now lets talk about doing the right thing!!!

> The fact is that life is inherently dangerous, and people sitting within
> reach of fast-moving objects capable of flying off at random angles need
> to either accept the risk, or leave the area entirely.

The Dodgers have the ability to show respect to their fans and pay the 30
thousand a year that it might cost to treat fans injuries from flying
objects. If they can afford 500 million in stadium improvements then they
can afford to do the right thing.

BUT GO DODGERS!
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"Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> The fact is that life is inherently dangerous, and people sitting within
> reach of fast-moving objects capable of flying off at random angles need
> to either accept the risk, or leave the area entirely.

Oh, and tripple made a good point. Next time someone crashes into you on the
highway, say "it's okay, I knew the inherent dangers... you don't have to
pay with your insurance. I will cover it out of pocket."
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"Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> And as soon as they go beyond their CONTRACT just one time, every
> ambulance chaser within 300 miles of a park will be filing a suit every
> time someone slips on their own piss in the bathroom.

Ambulance chasers don't have much of a case if the team does the responsible
thing.

With that said, it sounds like you are more worried about people making a
dime, than doing the right thing.
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JSM75 wrote:
> "Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> And as soon as they go beyond their CONTRACT just one time, every
>> ambulance chaser within 300 miles of a park will be filing a suit every
>> time someone slips on their own piss in the bathroom.
>
> Ambulance chasers don't have much of a case if the team does the responsible
> thing.
>
> With that said, it sounds like you are more worried about people making a
> dime, than doing the right thing.
>
>

The argument for MLB or the Dodgers to do something is based on an
extremely false premise: That ticketholders are a 100% altruistic bunch
who would never EVER take or go after anything more than what was
necessary to cover the bills from any incident.

We are a greedy, materialistic, lawsuit-happy society. The line has to
be drawn somewhere, and when you use your ticket you agree to the line
the team and/or MLB has drawn in the sand. Changing the rules after the
fact does not and will not happen.
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"Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Apparently you are the one who didn't read the whole thing, specifically
> the part about all the OTHER people who have tried suing over the years.
>
> Perhaps you also missed the part about how the woman wants to sue everyone
> from the team to the bat manufacturer to, in one report, individual
> PLAYERS over this.

Good, you finally read it. Then you will see the part where she has tried to
get her medical bills paid for with the teams insurance? The fact is that
the Dodgers or any team would be doing themselves a service to pay the
bills. Kind of like the Flames and Blue Jackets paid the medical bills and
funeral of a little girl who was killed by a puck.

> Apparently this woman didn't learn her lesson either, seeing as how she
> has announced plans to go watch a sport where 6'10" 270lb players have
> been known to get launched into the front rows of seats with no notice.

So you know where she plans to sit? Using logical fallacies with me will not
work.
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JSM75 wrote:
> "Polarhound" <yhf9832283483y.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Apparently you are the one who didn't read the whole thing, specifically
>> the part about all the OTHER people who have tried suing over the years.
>>
>> Perhaps you also missed the part about how the woman wants to sue everyone
>> from the team to the bat manufacturer to, in one report, individual
>> PLAYERS over this.
>
> Good, you finally read it. Then you will see the part where she has tried to
> get her medical bills paid for with the teams insurance? The fact is that
> the Dodgers or any team would be doing themselves a service to pay the
> bills. Kind of like the Flames and Blue Jackets paid the medical bills and
> funeral of a little girl who was killed by a puck.

I see you skimmed over the part where she wants them to cough up despite
the fact that HER INSURANCE HASN'T EVEN PROCESSED THE CLAIMS YET.
Without knowing the end result, she is already going after the team, the
bat manufacturer, and any else she can squeeze a few dollars out of.

I can already tell you how this is going to end up: She is going to end
up with about $400-$600 in total co-pays and deductibles, of which he is
going to attempt to sue the Dodgers for $4.5-6.5M to recover. Never
mind the fact that even should her Fantasy Island episode come true, the
insurance company will be right there to take money from HER to recover
THEIR costs.
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