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Bill Kawalec wrote:
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>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
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> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball, the
> batter can attempt to take first base.
> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any base
> being occupied.
>

Just to clarify, this only happens if the catcher drops the ball,
doesn't catch it cleanly (like if it gets caught in his uniform or
something), or the ball hits the ground on strike three. The catcher can
tag the batter, OR he can throw the ball to first base to complete the out.

If the catcher makes a clean catch of strike three, the batter is
automatically out.

If you are keeping score...a "strikeout" is awarded to the pitcher even
if the batter makes it to first. The batter would reach first on a
passed-ball or wild-pitch or some other fielding error. In that case the
defensive team would essentially have to get four outs in that inning.

You would likely only see a batter reach first a few times a year in
this situation, but it is a possibility.

Andrew
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>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
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>
>
> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball, the
> batter can attempt to take first base.
> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any base
> being occupied.

BK blows it again!!!
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> >>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
> >>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
> >>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
>
> >> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
> >> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball,
> >> the batter can attempt to take first base.
> >> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any
> >> base being occupied.
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> > BK blows it again!!!
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> wow. nice substantial comeback there. Nothing I said is wrong, sonny.
> Perhaps not totally complete, but not wrong.
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Overreaction ... but ... when you're going to fulfill the role of The
Explainer, you better get it right ... and you weren't even that close.
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I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the catcher
sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what circumstances
does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball,
the batter can attempt to take first base.

EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any
base
being occupied.


BK blows it again!!!

>Doc

Well its more the norm with bk then
anything else,he considers himself an
expert on almost any subject,and the
obvious usually escapes him.At least
it was more clearly defined for the
poster who ask the original?nuff said
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>>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
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>> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
>> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball,
>> the batter can attempt to take first base.
>> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any
>> base being occupied.
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> BK blows it again!!!


wow. nice substantial comeback there. Nothing I said is wrong, sonny.
Perhaps not totally complete, but not wrong.




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>> >>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>> >>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>> >>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
>>
>> >> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until
>> >> the
>> >> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball,
>> >> the batter can attempt to take first base.
>> >> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any
>> >> base being occupied.
>>
>> > BK blows it again!!!
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>> wow. nice substantial comeback there. Nothing I said is wrong, sonny.
>> Perhaps not totally complete, but not wrong.
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> Explainer, you better get it right ... and you weren't even that close.
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what part of it was wrong, sonny???
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> what part of it was wrong, sonny???

Try reading Andrew Kerr's post, you never explained it properly,making it
seem as if the batter had to be tagged even if the catcher did not misplay
the 3rd strike pitch. Confusing OP even more, not directly answering the
"why" . As "Jays finish 2nd" post pointed out -not even close.

Do you have to be spoon fed everything? There is difference between
thinking and typing on usenet.
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:59:28 -0400, Andrew Kerr <apkerr RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
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>Bill Kawalec wrote:
>> <Gary RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message news:46142853.5775834@news.datemas.de...
>>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
>>
>>
>>
>> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
>> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball, the
>> batter can attempt to take first base.
>> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any base
>> being occupied.
>>
>
>Just to clarify, this only happens if the catcher drops the ball,
>doesn't catch it cleanly (like if it gets caught in his uniform or
>something), or the ball hits the ground on strike three. The catcher can
>tag the batter, OR he can throw the ball to first base to complete the out.
>
>If the catcher makes a clean catch of strike three, the batter is
>automatically out.
>
>If you are keeping score...a "strikeout" is awarded to the pitcher even
>if the batter makes it to first. The batter would reach first on a
>passed-ball or wild-pitch or some other fielding error. In that case the
>defensive team would essentially have to get four outs in that inning.
>
>You would likely only see a batter reach first a few times a year in
>this situation, but it is a possibility.

Thank-you, Andrew and Bill, for the explanation.

So, theoritically, if a batter is 0-2, and the pitcher throws
a real wild pitch, the batter could swing at it and take off for first
base while the catcher scrambles to find the ball?


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> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:59:28 -0400, Andrew Kerr <apkerr.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
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>>Bill Kawalec wrote:
>>> <Gary.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46142853.5775834@news.datemas.de...
>>>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>>>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>>>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until the
>>> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball,
>>> the
>>> batter can attempt to take first base.
>>> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any
>>> base
>>> being occupied.
>>>
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>>Just to clarify, this only happens if the catcher drops the ball,
>>doesn't catch it cleanly (like if it gets caught in his uniform or
>>something), or the ball hits the ground on strike three. The catcher can
>>tag the batter, OR he can throw the ball to first base to complete the
>>out.
>>
>>If the catcher makes a clean catch of strike three, the batter is
>>automatically out.
>>
>>If you are keeping score...a "strikeout" is awarded to the pitcher even
>>if the batter makes it to first. The batter would reach first on a
>>passed-ball or wild-pitch or some other fielding error. In that case the
>>defensive team would essentially have to get four outs in that inning.
>>
>>You would likely only see a batter reach first a few times a year in
>>this situation, but it is a possibility.
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> Thank-you, Andrew and Bill, for the explanation.
>
> So, theoritically, if a batter is 0-2, and the pitcher throws
> a real wild pitch, the batter could swing at it and take off for first
> base while the catcher scrambles to find the ball?


yeah. provided first base is not occupied, and there are fewer than two
outs.



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>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:59:28 -0400, Andrew Kerr <apkerr RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
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>>>Bill Kawalec wrote:
>>>> <Gary RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> I notice sometimes after a batter takes strike three, that the
>>>>> catcher sometimes scrambles to tag the batter. Why? Under what
>>>>> circumstances does strike three not mean "You're out!"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If first base is not occupied, the out is not completed unless/until
>>>> the
>>>> catcher tags the batter. Thus, if the catcher does not field the ball,
>>>> the
>>>> batter can attempt to take first base.
>>>> EXCEPTION: with two outs, the batter must be tagged regardless of any
>>>> base
>>>> being occupied.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Just to clarify, this only happens if the catcher drops the ball,
>>>doesn't catch it cleanly (like if it gets caught in his uniform or
>>>something), or the ball hits the ground on strike three. The catcher can
>>>tag the batter, OR he can throw the ball to first base to complete the
>>>out.
>>>
>>>If the catcher makes a clean catch of strike three, the batter is
>>>automatically out.
>>>
>>>If you are keeping score...a "strikeout" is awarded to the pitcher even
>>>if the batter makes it to first. The batter would reach first on a
>>>passed-ball or wild-pitch or some other fielding error. In that case the
>>>defensive team would essentially have to get four outs in that inning.
>>>
>>>You would likely only see a batter reach first a few times a year in
>>>this situation, but it is a possibility.
>>
>> Thank-you, Andrew and Bill, for the explanation.
>>
>> So, theoritically, if a batter is 0-2, and the pitcher throws
>> a real wild pitch, the batter could swing at it and take off for first
>> base while the catcher scrambles to find the ball?
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> yeah. provided first base is not occupied, and there are fewer than two
> outs.
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ok, in this case, I stated that badly. If there WERE two outs, then it makes
no difference whether first base is occupied. Both batter and runner can
advance then.





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bk>

ok, in this case, I stated that badly. If there WERE two outs, then it
makes no difference whether first base is occupied. Both batter and
runner can advance then

doc>

Well good but it only took you five posts
to admit you may have gotten it a bit
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In article <461542e5.4176835.DeleteThis@news.datemas.de>, <Gary.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:

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> Thank-you, Andrew and Bill, for the explanation.
>
> So, theoritically, if a batter is 0-2, and the pitcher throws
>a real wild pitch, the batter could swing at it and take off for first
>base while the catcher scrambles to find the ball?

Yes. I remember the announcers tellin a story where this happened to I
*THINK* a Blue Jays shortstop (Afredo or Tony, I think) or maybe 2B and they
later said they thought about swinging on a really wild pitch to make it
strike 3 and run for 1st. I don't think they *ACTUALLY* did it though.

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>MH
Yes. I remember the announcers tellin a story where this happened to I
*THINK* a Blue Jays shortstop (Afredo or Tony, I think) or maybe 2B and
they later said they thought about swinging on a really wild pitch to
make it strike 3 and run for 1st. I don't think they *ACTUALLY* did it
though


>Doc

Remember the controversial play during
the ws a couple of years ago when the
ump clearly signaled the out sign,but
Persinsky I think it was ran to first and
was given the base,turning the whole
series around.

Because it was later ruled the ball hit
the ground on the third strike before
the catcher had it in his glove.


Not quite the same thing but all the same
it cost the other team dearly.
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