bandbox

Well... according to ballpark factor, this year Shea (1.092) is more of a
bandbox than CBP (0.970), which is playing more like a pitcher's park. A
ballpark factor over 1 favors the hitter, less than 1 favors the pitcher.

CBP's "bandbox" reputation may have more to do with the sucky pitching the
Phils had in prior years than the ballpark itself.




"Shep Hellerman" <shep_hellerman.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f14f214-6ee2-4140-aac3-f2b9c03c0d04@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
> a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
> me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?
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"Shep Hellerman" <shep_hellerman.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f14f214-6ee2-4140-aac3-f2b9c03c0d04@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
> a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
> me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?

So what if it is a bandbox? Yeh many HRs are hit at CBP. I believe many
top flight pitchers that the Phillies will undoubtedly pursue during the off
season, will be repelled by the short fences. Can't have it all.
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On Aug 27, 4:51 pm, "NewsGroupie" <goodliv....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Shep Hellerman" <shep_heller....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4f14f214-6ee2-4140-aac3-f2b9c03c0d04@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
> > a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
> > me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?
>
> So what if it is a bandbox?  Yeh many HRs are hit at CBP.  I believe many
> top flight pitchers that the Phillies will undoubtedly pursue during the off
> season, will be repelled by the short fences. Can't have it all.

The park is small for both team. If you one up, you Ryan Howard to
get 2 back
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Shep Hellerman <shep_hellerman DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
>a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
>me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?

The bandbox was the perfect sonic environment to amplify the
whining of the Mets that CBP is a bandbox.

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Steven O'Neill steveo DeleteThis @panix.com
Brooklyn, NY http://www.panix.com/~steveo
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:42:49 -0400, BeastFish wrote:

>
> CBP's "bandbox" reputation may have more to do with the sucky pitching the
> Phils had in prior years than the ballpark itself.

no way. That just shows me you can invest too much merit into that stat.
The balls rocket out of there.

Shea, however, has a very different dynamic this year because of the wall
that closes the outfield. You can really feel the difference.

Ruben


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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT), RJH <mwafb.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 27, 1:02 pm, Shep Hellerman <shep_heller....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
>> a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
>> me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?
>
>It wasn't. The Mets' ineptitude and the Phillies' fortitude were the
>contributing factors.

Talking about jinxing your team. Shouldn't you have waited at least
until the second game was over before making pronouncements about
ineptitude?
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O'Bob wrote:
> RJH <mwafb.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Shep Hellerman <shep_heller....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
>>>a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
>>>me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?
>>
>>It wasn't. The Mets' ineptitude and the Phillies' fortitude were the
>>contributing factors.

> Talking about jinxing your team. Shouldn't you have waited at least
> until the second game was over before making pronouncements about
> ineptitude?

uh, no. by that logic you shouldn't comment on any game until the season
is over. it was a remark about one game, not the series, not the season.

-greg
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:35:07 -0700, greg'c contract year
<nope.RemoveThis@nope.org> wrote:

>O'Bob wrote:
>> RJH <mwafb.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Shep Hellerman <shep_heller....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
>>>>a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
>>>>me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?
>>>
>>>It wasn't. The Mets' ineptitude and the Phillies' fortitude were the
>>>contributing factors.
>
>> Talking about jinxing your team. Shouldn't you have waited at least
>> until the second game was over before making pronouncements about
>> ineptitude?
>
>uh, no. by that logic you shouldn't comment on any game until the season
>is over. it was a remark about one game, not the series, not the season.
>
>-greg

OK, I follow that logic. What about last night's game then---
ineptitude vs fortitude again, right?
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:46:45 +0000 (UTC), steveo DeleteThis @panix.com (Steven M.
O'Neill) wrote:

>Shep Hellerman <shep_hellerman DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I've heard a lot of complaints from NY about Citizen's Bank Park being
>>a "bandbox"... having small dimensions. Can someone please explain to
>>me how the bandbox was a factor in last night's game?
>
>The bandbox was the perfect sonic environment to amplify the
>whining of the Mets that CBP is a bandbox.
>
>--
>Steven O'Neill steveo DeleteThis @panix.com
>Brooklyn, NY http://www.panix.com/~steveo

OK, whatever.

You're from Brooklyn and rooting for the Phils? You'd know this-- is
there a radio station that broadcasts Phils games that can be picked
up in NYC?
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O'Bob <O'Bob@nospam.com> wrote:
>You're from Brooklyn and rooting for the Phils? You'd know this-- is
>there a radio station that broadcasts Phils games that can be picked
>up in NYC?

I used to sometimes get it on 1490 (Levittown, PA). 1210
(Philly) is stronger, but there's another station that that
interferes with it badly. Bottom line is that I found it
pretty frustrating.

The complete list to try is here:
http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/phi/schedule/radio_network.jsp

I finally broke down and got XM, however.

(I'm sure you also know that you can get radio broadcasts on the
computer for a small fee.)

HTH.

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