Wainwright complete game!

"Terry Lomax" <Lomax47.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Even before this season began, I considered Wainwright our #1 starter.
>
> Wainwright shows he deserves the title of our "ace" as he pitches a
> complete game!
>
> The best defense against a bad bullpen is a complete game.

Except, did that 125 pitch outing mean that Wainwright is headed for a DL
trip in the near future, and possibly a shortened career?

Evidence suggests that's a good possiblity. At the very least, he's sure to
have a dead arm come Sept
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:12:20 -0500, "Jeremy Reaban"
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>"Terry Lomax" <Lomax47.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Even before this season began, I considered Wainwright our #1 starter.

>> Wainwright shows he deserves the title of our "ace" as he pitches a
>> complete game!

>> The best defense against a bad bullpen is a complete game.

>Except, did that 125 pitch outing mean that Wainwright is headed for a DL
>trip in the near future, and possibly a shortened career?

>Evidence suggests that's a good possiblity. At the very least, he's sure to
>have a dead arm come Sept

Not necessarily. I'm not a fan of high pitch counts for young arms,
either, but the problem with them is their exponential nature. If
Wainwright goes out and throws 90 to 100 pitches next time, the damage
will be much less likely. It's consistent abuse of a pitcher's arm
that causes him to break down.

--
Lance

"Some of the things I've seen here I haven't seen anywhere else I've
managed."
-- Lou Piniella articulates what it means to be initiated into Cubdom
6/2/07


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Lance Freezeland wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:12:20 -0500, "Jeremy Reaban"
> <jeremy_reaban.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> gave us:
>> "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:d909e0e8-c52a-4254-8485-b83d004adf17@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> Even before this season began, I considered Wainwright our #1 starter.
>
>>> Wainwright shows he deserves the title of our "ace" as he pitches a
>>> complete game!
>
>>> The best defense against a bad bullpen is a complete game.
>
>> Except, did that 125 pitch outing mean that Wainwright is headed for a DL
>> trip in the near future, and possibly a shortened career?
>
>> Evidence suggests that's a good possiblity. At the very least, he's sure to
>> have a dead arm come Sept
>
> Not necessarily. I'm not a fan of high pitch counts for young arms,
> either, but the problem with them is their exponential nature. If
> Wainwright goes out and throws 90 to 100 pitches next time, the damage
> will be much less likely. It's consistent abuse of a pitcher's arm
> that causes him to break down.
>

Do we have pitch counts for fellows from the late 60's?

Marichal, Gibson, Koufax, Drysdale all seemed to go long in games,
pitching 9 or 10 innings consistently the entire season.

Perhaps there was something to that 15 inch mound that allowed
much better velocity?

Paul
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:30:32 -0400, Atlanta Cardfan <user DeleteThis @example.net>
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>Lance Freezeland wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:12:20 -0500, "Jeremy Reaban"
>> <jeremy_reaban DeleteThis @yahoo.com> gave us:
>>> "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d909e0e8-c52a-4254-8485-b83d004adf17@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>>>> Even before this season began, I considered Wainwright our #1 starter.

>>>> Wainwright shows he deserves the title of our "ace" as he pitches a
>>>> complete game!

>>>> The best defense against a bad bullpen is a complete game.

>>> Except, did that 125 pitch outing mean that Wainwright is headed for a DL
>>> trip in the near future, and possibly a shortened career?

>>> Evidence suggests that's a good possiblity. At the very least, he's sure to
>>> have a dead arm come Sept

>> Not necessarily. I'm not a fan of high pitch counts for young arms,
>> either, but the problem with them is their exponential nature. If
>> Wainwright goes out and throws 90 to 100 pitches next time, the damage
>> will be much less likely. It's consistent abuse of a pitcher's arm
>> that causes him to break down.

>Do we have pitch counts for fellows from the late 60's?

>Marichal, Gibson, Koufax, Drysdale all seemed to go long in games,
>pitching 9 or 10 innings consistently the entire season.

>Perhaps there was something to that 15 inch mound that allowed
>much better velocity?

Well, first let's remember that Bob Gibson and Juan Marichal weren't
your average pitchers. Whenever I hear someone saying that Gibson or
Seaver or Nolan Ryan did X, I try to point out that you're talking
here about physical freaks. And remember also that Sandy Koufax
retired at age 30 with a bad arm. Drysdale's last full season was 31.

You're correct that they did the things that you note, but they paid
the price therefor.

--
Lance

"There are three-hundred thousand sportswriters
and they're all against me. Every one of them."
-- Joaquin Andujar


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