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Eric Margheim wrote:
>
> >
> > Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and Williams.
>
> If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his best days
> are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade Morris
> unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.

Depends what they can get for him. If you get an almost-as-good starter
making, say, $5 million, then your team as a whole is better for having
made the trade, since you'd have that $7.5 left over to go get somebody.

--
Thanks for your time,

Eric Opperman
"I've got a job to do, and that's part of it. I've got a special feeling
for Sidney, and I will in 20 years--unless he blows up my house or
something." -- Baltimore Orioles manager Mike Hargrove on telling Sidney
Ponson he'd been traded to the Giants.
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"Eric Margheim" <DONTSPAMMEericm.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and
Williams.
>
> If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his
best days
> are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade
Morris
> unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.

Yes, but you're a Cubs fan. I think the Cubs should trade Mark Prior
and get Don Baylor back as their manager, but you don't see me
blabbing about it in the cubs newsgroup.
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"Jeremy Reaban" <jer.RemoveThis@connectria.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric Margheim" <DONTSPAMMEericm.RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:vq34uunrajit38@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and
> Williams.
> >
> > If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his
> best days
> > are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade
> Morris
> > unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.
>
> Yes, but you're a Cubs fan. I think the Cubs should trade Mark Prior
> and get Don Baylor back as their manager, but you don't see me
> blabbing about it in the cubs newsgroup.

LOL. Actually I thought my comment was really from a Cardinal fan
perspective. I was being objective. I didn't say they should trade
Pujols because he's likely to have a down year in 04. <g> Can't a Cub fan
come in here and have a civil baseball discussion? Are you that insecure
about your little NG? <g> At least I'm not trolling like Lance!!

If you go back and look at Williams' outings since early June he was very
inconsistent and then near the end of the year he just started looking
tired. He's pretty darned old. It's not likely he's going to be better
next year. He'd probably make a solid 4th or 5th starter for someone next
year but I just don't see him being a 2-3 guy next year. Maybe he'll
suprise me. If he does I hope it's with an AL team.

Morris, on the other hand, is the closest thing the Cardinals have to a
go-to-guy next year. Trading him woud be incredibly stupid. Who are they
going to get that will be as solid as him? Pettitte, Maddux, Those guys
will likely command more than Morris is making.
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In article <vq34uunrajit38.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
"Eric Margheim" <DONTSPAMMEericm.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:

> >
> > Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and Williams.
>
> If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his best days
> are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade Morris
> unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.

My guess is that they are upset that he did not do a better job of
intentionally losing those games against the Astros. Well, slightly more
seriously, Morris is due $12.5M in 2004, and LaRussa has shown he will
push Morris harder than he should. Of course he will do the same to
Isringhausen, who is due a lot of money in 2004 and 2005, but LaRussa
has messed up Isringhausen only once.

This quote from Jocketty regarding 2003 pitching acquisitions is such
horse-bleep that it could fertilize all the corn fields in Nebraska: "A
lot of that had to do with who was available," Jocketty said. "I believe
there are going to be a lot more impact arms available the next several
months. It's a much more attractive market."

No, Walt, the problem was you, Tony and Dunc all thought Simontacchi,
Tomko, Fassero, Springer, Hamilton, Yan, and Borbon actually could get
people out. Pitchers like Jeff Suppan, Matt Herges, Kerry Ligtenberg,
Steve Reed and Flash Gordon were available at reasonable prices. It did
not help that the Brain Trust had no clue about decent internal options
Al Levine, Nerio Rodriguez, Dustin Hermanson (he is not a reliever,
though it is possible Simo could be), Mike Crudale and Jim Journell.

--
'Winning and losing just really isn't the point. The competition, the excel-
lence, the camaraderie among fans, the tension, the drama, the thrills, highs
and lows -- that's the point... if your value as a human being is determined by
whether or not your team wins, you've got some evaluating to do.' -- Sox Nation
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On 10/30/03 4:42 PM, in article vq34uunrajit38 DeleteThis @corp.supernews.com, "Eric
Margheim" <DONTSPAMMEericm DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:

>>
>> Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and Williams.
>
> If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his best days
> are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade Morris
> unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.
>
>

I may agree with you, but I thought the same thing going into this season.
I was dead wrong. Depends on the $$$, but I think I might be leaning on
keeping WW around.

Do we sign claim Ramirez and release Drew? I'd love to have him, hothead or
not.

Jayhawker
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In article <3FA1A353.5FD34E14.RemoveThis@midsouth.rr.com>,
Eric Opperman <ericopp.RemoveThis@midsouth.rr.com> wrote:

> Eric Margheim wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and Williams.
> >
> > If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his best days
> > are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade Morris
> > unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.
>
> Depends what they can get for him. If you get an almost-as-good starter
> making, say, $5 million, then your team as a whole is better for having
> made the trade, since you'd have that $7.5 left over to go get somebody.

Of course why would another team, aside from the Yankees maybe, make
that trade? Especially if Tino comes attached.

--
'Winning and losing just really isn't the point. The competition, the excel-
lence, the camaraderie among fans, the tension, the drama, the thrills, highs
and lows -- that's the point... if your value as a human being is determined by
whether or not your team wins, you've got some evaluating to do.' -- Sox Nation
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Pujols is a franchise player, and unless they can get better (and 2
better for one), he should not
be dealt.

Williams worked the most innings of just about any NL pitcher. The over
work is really his problem. Morris is having his Pre Kile days of losing
focus/concentration, and that is his problem. Both Williams and Morris
played with injuries. I would keep both, because I don't see anything grown
on the farm. The following:TKevin Millwood, Sidney Ponson, Bartolo Colon,
Andy Pettite and Greg Maddux
are free agents. Go after two of the above. Millwood would be a great
addition.

Another problem with the cards has been the bullpen,Right Field and First
Base. They need three top noch long and three top noch short relievers. They
need a power person at first (or if Pujols is at first a power Left
fielder), and a solid "injury free" Right Fielder with power.



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> "Jeremy Reaban" <jer DeleteThis @connectria.com> wrote in message
> news:vq3hs6snleic3c@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Eric Margheim" <DONTSPAMMEericm DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:vq34uunrajit38@corp.supernews.com...
> > > >
> > > > Everybody else is fair game to be traded--incl. Morris, and
> > Williams.
> > >
> > > If they're smart they'll try hard to trade Williams. I think his
> > best days
> > > are behind him. I just can't understand how they could trade
> > Morris
> > > unless they're just looking at next year as a rebuilding year.
> >
> > Yes, but you're a Cubs fan. I think the Cubs should trade Mark Prior
> > and get Don Baylor back as their manager, but you don't see me
> > blabbing about it in the cubs newsgroup.
>
> LOL. Actually I thought my comment was really from a Cardinal fan
> perspective. I was being objective. I didn't say they should trade
> Pujols because he's likely to have a down year in 04. <g> Can't a Cub
fan
> come in here and have a civil baseball discussion? Are you that insecure
> about your little NG? <g> At least I'm not trolling like Lance!!
>
> If you go back and look at Williams' outings since early June he was very
> inconsistent and then near the end of the year he just started looking
> tired. He's pretty darned old. It's not likely he's going to be better
> next year. He'd probably make a solid 4th or 5th starter for someone
next
> year but I just don't see him being a 2-3 guy next year. Maybe he'll
> suprise me. If he does I hope it's with an AL team.
>
> Morris, on the other hand, is the closest thing the Cardinals have to a
> go-to-guy next year. Trading him woud be incredibly stupid. Who are
they
> going to get that will be as solid as him? Pettitte, Maddux, Those
guys
> will likely command more than Morris is making.
>
>
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>
> The Cubs should trade Prior to the Cards for $2 mil., and we can
throw
> them back Fassero for nothing in gratitude. <g>
>

Hmmm... Throw in Matheny and you've got yourself a deal!
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In article <vq86oi9ig61e25.RemoveThis@corp.supernews.com>,
baseball man <baseballman.RemoveThis@baseball.com> wrote:

> X-No-Archive: yes

Roy, is this you?

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lence, the camaraderie among fans, the tension, the drama, the thrills, highs
and lows -- that's the point... if your value as a human being is determined by
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In article <F69pb.1928$qh2.251@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Rob Petrie" <r*@att.net> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> "Rob Haneberg" <robert_haneberg.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:robert_haneberg-1D13D7.16455401112003@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <vq86oi9ig61e25.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> > baseball man <baseballman.DeleteThis@baseball.com> wrote:
>
> > > X-No-Archive: yes
>
> > Roy, is this you?
>
> No, Rob, I'm the more positive one for '04 who doesn't have a
> "baseball.com" domain.
> You're the negative-spewing, always-disaster-predicting Cardinals'
> "fan" before any rosters are set I'm tired of reading here already, and it's
> only Nov. '03.

If you are that tired, then go away.

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Drove my golf cart to the Wal-Mart
But the Wal-Mart was closed
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