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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:34 am
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Twins beat White Sox at their own game
By Steve Rosenbloom - Chicago Sports
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/07/twins-...t-whit.
Bad enough that the Twins frequently have embarrassed the White Sox by
playing simple, fundamental baseball. They catch the ball (with their
gloves, not their bare hands, Alexei Ramirez, do you hear me?) and
they pitch to their park (so even bad starters can look good).
But what happened Monday night in the TwinkieDome was a complete
pantsing. The Twins not only pitched and caught the ball, but they
grabbed the Sox's offensive M.O. and beat them silly with it.
Usually, the Twins play the games the way ballplayers are told to
structure batting practice: Get him on, get him over, get him in.
But Monday night, the Twins executed the Sox's plan: Get him on, get
the ball over the fence.
The Twins ended the game early with two two-run homers in the third
inning, both by left-handed hitters off the Sox's best lefty, just to
make it even more aggravating. Justin Morneau hit one of them, which
you'd expect, but the other one came from Denard Span, which you'd
never believe because the guy had never homered in the majors.
Denard Freakin' Span. Yeesh.
Off Mark Buehrle. Help.
And now the Sox look to Clayton Richard to be a stopper. Thank
goodness that ESPN will air a new episode from the World Series of
Poker tonight.
Kevin Slowey? You kidding me? The guy hadn't gone more than six
innings or allowed fewer than four runs in his three previous starts,
and he's throwing a complete game shutout against the Sox? The guy was
0-2 with an ERA over 12.00 against the Sox, and he's throwing a
complete game shutout? New Sox slogan: "Putting the Oh in Uh-Oh."
Somewhere in that last link, the writer, Minnesota Star Tribune
columnist Patrick Reusse, calls Buehrle "crusty." Excuse me? Call him
erratic. Call him a soft-tosser. Call him furry. But crusty? Some
people need to get out of their ice-fishing huts.
There are times when I think that the only way Ozzie Guillen won't
play Paul Konerko is if Kenny Williams trades him. I know that Guillen
is trying to be loyal, but is he managing the Chicago Konerkos or the
Chicago White Sox?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:37 pm
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On Jul 29, 10:34 am, S. Smith <scott.sm....TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Twins beat White Sox at their own game
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> By Steve Rosenbloom - Chicago Sports
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> Usually, the Twins play the games the way ballplayers are told to
> structure batting practice: Get him on, get him over, get him in.
>
> But Monday night, the Twins executed the Sox's plan: Get him on, get
> the ball over the fence.
I just heard on KFAN that the Sox's record in games where they DON'T
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:03 pm
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Great post. Thanks, I'm still laffing. Wish he was one of our sports
writers. Better than that ole "crusty" Reusse. lol
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> Twins beat White Sox at their own game
>
> By Steve Rosenbloom - Chicago Sports
>
> http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/07/twins-...t-whit.
>
> Bad enough that the Twins frequently have embarrassed the White Sox by
> playing simple, fundamental baseball. They catch the ball (with their
> gloves, not their bare hands, Alexei Ramirez, do you hear me?) and
> they pitch to their park (so even bad starters can look good).
>
> But what happened Monday night in the TwinkieDome was a complete
> pantsing. The Twins not only pitched and caught the ball, but they
> grabbed the Sox's offensive M.O. and beat them silly with it.
>
> Usually, the Twins play the games the way ballplayers are told to
> structure batting practice: Get him on, get him over, get him in.
>
> But Monday night, the Twins executed the Sox's plan: Get him on, get
> the ball over the fence.
>
> The Twins ended the game early with two two-run homers in the third
> inning, both by left-handed hitters off the Sox's best lefty, just to
> make it even more aggravating. Justin Morneau hit one of them, which
> you'd expect, but the other one came from Denard Span, which you'd
> never believe because the guy had never homered in the majors.
>
> Denard Freakin' Span. Yeesh.
>
> Off Mark Buehrle. Help.
>
> And now the Sox look to Clayton Richard to be a stopper. Thank
> goodness that ESPN will air a new episode from the World Series of
> Poker tonight.
>
> Kevin Slowey? You kidding me? The guy hadn't gone more than six
> innings or allowed fewer than four runs in his three previous starts,
> and he's throwing a complete game shutout against the Sox? The guy was
> 0-2 with an ERA over 12.00 against the Sox, and he's throwing a
> complete game shutout? New Sox slogan: "Putting the Oh in Uh-Oh."
>
> Somewhere in that last link, the writer, Minnesota Star Tribune
> columnist Patrick Reusse, calls Buehrle "crusty." Excuse me? Call him
> erratic. Call him a soft-tosser. Call him furry. But crusty? Some
> people need to get out of their ice-fishing huts.
>
> There are times when I think that the only way Ozzie Guillen won't
> play Paul Konerko is if Kenny Williams trades him. I know that Guillen
> is trying to be loyal, but is he managing the Chicago Konerkos or the
> Chicago White Sox?
>
>
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:09 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:20 pm
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:37:02 -0700 (PDT), powrwrap <powrwrap.RemoveThis@aol.com>
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>On Jul 29, 10:34 am, S. Smith <scott.sm....RemoveThis@iphouse.com> wrote:
>> Twins beat White Sox at their own game
>>
>> By Steve Rosenbloom - Chicago Sports
>>
>> Usually, the Twins play the games the way ballplayers are told to
>> structure batting practice: Get him on, get him over, get him in.
>>
>> But Monday night, the Twins executed the Sox's plan: Get him on, get
>> the ball over the fence.
>
>I just heard on KFAN that the Sox's record in games where they DON'T
>hit a home run is 5-23; the Twins record when they DON'T hit a home
>run is 23-27.
Yes. The ChiSox rely almost solely on power for wins this season.
No such thing as "small ball" for them.
But the real story is how well their pitching staff has done, against
all odds, IMO. The 3rd highest team ERA in the league with 3.75?
Who would have called that one before this season started?
Danks and Floyd have both been playing over their heads so
far this season, IMO, and their bullpen (other than Masset) has
looked pretty good as well.
Should be interesting to see how the kid Clayton Richard does for
the Sox tonight, against an energized Twins team at home. Think
he might have a few butterflies in the stomach early on? 
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:07 am
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S. Smith wrote:
> Twins beat White Sox at their own game
>
> By Steve Rosenbloom - Chicago Sports
>
> http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2008/07/twins-...t-whit.
>
> Bad enough that the Twins frequently have embarrassed the White Sox by
> playing simple, fundamental baseball. They catch the ball (with their
> gloves, not their bare hands, Alexei Ramirez, do you hear me?) and
> they pitch to their park (so even bad starters can look good).
>
> But what happened Monday night in the TwinkieDome was a complete
> pantsing. The Twins not only pitched and caught the ball, but they
> grabbed the Sox's offensive M.O. and beat them silly with it.
>
> Usually, the Twins play the games the way ballplayers are told to
> structure batting practice: Get him on, get him over, get him in.
>
> But Monday night, the Twins executed the Sox's plan: Get him on, get
> the ball over the fence.
>
> The Twins ended the game early with two two-run homers in the third
> inning,
Wow, so a 4-run lead in the third inning is enough to "end" the game against
the 4th-best offense in the AL? I sure didn't see it that way... and I'm
sure the ChiSox and Twins didn't see it that way...
Twins definitely didn't see it that way tonight when they found themselves
looking at the wrong end of a 4-0 score tonight after three innings...
both by left-handed hitters off the Sox's best lefty, just to
> make it even more aggravating. Justin Morneau hit one of them, which
> you'd expect, but the other one came from Denard Span, which you'd
> never believe because the guy had never homered in the majors.
>
> Denard Freakin' Span. Yeesh.
The homer was unexpected but you might want to get used to him, it looks
like he could be a pest for the Twins' division rivals for a while...
> Off Mark Buehrle. Help.
>
> And now the Sox look to Clayton Richard to be a stopper. Thank
> goodness that ESPN will air a new episode from the World Series of
> Poker tonight.
>
> Kevin Slowey? You kidding me? The guy hadn't gone more than six
> innings or allowed fewer than four runs in his three previous starts,
> and he's throwing a complete game shutout against the Sox? The guy was
> 0-2 with an ERA over 12.00 against the Sox, and he's throwing a
> complete game shutout?
Yeah, Kevin Slowey, the guy's total chopped liver, isn't he? The guy has a
better-than-AL-average 4.00 ERA, his FIP is 3.98 and his peripherals look
even better... not to mention he shut out the Brewers last month, a pretty
stinkin good offense in case you didn't notice...
BTW, 2 starts vs. one team isn't exactly a great sample size to hang your
hat on... Slowey now has 4 starts against CHW in his career, 2-2 with a
4.39 ERA... sounds about right for a young guy with a 4.30 career ERA in
his less than 164 career IP...
New Sox slogan: "Putting the Oh in Uh-Oh."
>
> Somewhere in that last link, the writer, Minnesota Star Tribune
> columnist Patrick Reusse, calls Buehrle "crusty." Excuse me? Call him
> erratic. Call him a soft-tosser. Call him furry. But crusty? Some
> people need to get out of their ice-fishing huts.
>
> There are times when I think that the only way Ozzie Guillen won't
> play Paul Konerko is if Kenny Williams trades him. I know that Guillen
> is trying to be loyal, but is he managing the Chicago Konerkos or the
> Chicago White Sox?
Konerko is the ChiSox version of Carlos Gomez, a guy they really, really
need to hit because they don't have a ton of great options otherwise... and
Ozzie is riding him hoping he'll turn it around. Hopefully Sox fans aren't
complaining too much, not everything can go right for a team at once... they
have Dye and Quentin both putting up MVP numbers, Thome is doing his usual
thing, Ramirez looks like a brilliant steal, and they have a half-dozen
pitchers putting up career-best numbers...
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:37 pm
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:20:02 -0500, S. Smith <scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com>
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>Should be interesting to see how the kid Clayton Richard does for
>the Sox tonight, against an energized Twins team at home.
The kid didn't look half bad out there, well, until the meltdown in
the 5th anyway. He's definitely got potential.
Should be interesting to see which Gavin Floyd we get tonight...the
one who nearly no-hit the Twins back in May, or the one who finished
last season with an ERA of 5.27.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:49 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, S. Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:20:02 -0500, S. Smith <scott.smith.TakeThisOut@iphouse.com>
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>> Should be interesting to see how the kid Clayton Richard does for
>> the Sox tonight, against an energized Twins team at home.
>
> The kid didn't look half bad out there, well, until the meltdown in
> the 5th anyway. He's definitely got potential.
>
> Should be interesting to see which Gavin Floyd we get tonight...the
> one who nearly no-hit the Twins back in May, or the one who finished
> last season with an ERA of 5.27.
>
Should be interesting to see which Livan Hernandez we get tonight...
the one who used to be able to get batters out, or the guy on the
Twins roster.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:38 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:33 -0500, John Gregory <ashbury RemoveThis @skypoint.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, S. Smith wrote:
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>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:20:02 -0500, S. Smith <scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Should be interesting to see how the kid Clayton Richard does for
>>> the Sox tonight, against an energized Twins team at home.
>>
>> The kid didn't look half bad out there, well, until the meltdown in
>> the 5th anyway. He's definitely got potential.
>>
>> Should be interesting to see which Gavin Floyd we get tonight...the
>> one who nearly no-hit the Twins back in May, or the one who finished
>> last season with an ERA of 5.27.
>>
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>Should be interesting to see which Livan Hernandez we get tonight...
>the one who used to be able to get batters out, or the guy on the
>Twins roster.
Let's see....Hernandez is 1-2 in his last three starts with a 6.05 ERA,
Floyd is 0-2 in his last three starts with an ERA of 6.14
Should be intreresting.
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Scott Smith wrote:
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> <ashbury.DeleteThis@skypoint.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, S. Smith wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:20:02 -0500, S. Smith
>>> <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com> wrote:
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>>>> Should be interesting to see how the kid Clayton Richard does for
>>>> the Sox tonight, against an energized Twins team at home.
>>>
>>> The kid didn't look half bad out there, well, until the meltdown in
>>> the 5th anyway. He's definitely got potential.
>>>
>>> Should be interesting to see which Gavin Floyd we get tonight...the
>>> one who nearly no-hit the Twins back in May, or the one who finished
>>> last season with an ERA of 5.27.
>>>
>>
>> Should be interesting to see which Livan Hernandez we get tonight...
>> the one who used to be able to get batters out, or the guy on the
>> Twins roster.
>
> Let's see....Hernandez is 1-2 in his last three starts with a 6.05
> ERA,
> Floyd is 0-2 in his last three starts with an ERA of 6.14
>
> Should be intreresting.
This is where Liriano absolutely should have been brought up... a move like
that could very well make a huge difference in this race. Every game HTH
vs. the White Sox is a 2-game swing in the standings relative to them and
since they're likely the Twins' main rival to win the division -- and make
the playoffs at all -- you want to do everything you can to maximize the
potential of winning these games especially. And for that matter, every
start in this spot in the order down the stretch.
There's no guarantee that Cisco would be better but I'd say he's got a
better chance than Livan down the stretch of the season. Too bad the Twins
are too myopic to see it that way.
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:49:33 -0500, John Gregory
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>On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, S. Smith wrote:
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>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:20:02 -0500, S. Smith <scott.smith.DeleteThis@iphouse.com>
>> wrote:
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>>
>>> Should be interesting to see how the kid Clayton Richard does for
>>> the Sox tonight, against an energized Twins team at home.
>>
>> The kid didn't look half bad out there, well, until the meltdown in
>> the 5th anyway. He's definitely got potential.
>>
>> Should be interesting to see which Gavin Floyd we get tonight...the
>> one who nearly no-hit the Twins back in May, or the one who finished
>> last season with an ERA of 5.27.
>>
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>Should be interesting to see which Livan Hernandez we get tonight...
>the one who used to be able to get batters out, or the guy on the
>Twins roster.
Yeah....we got THAT guy. :-/
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> This is where Liriano absolutely should have been brought up... a move
> like that could very well make a huge difference in this race. Every game
> HTH vs. the White Sox is a 2-game swing in the standings relative to them
> and since they're likely the Twins' main rival to win the division -- and
> make the playoffs at all -- you want to do everything you can to maximize
> the potential of winning these games especially. And for that matter,
> every start in this spot in the order down the stretch.
>
> There's no guarantee that Cisco would be better but I'd say he's got a
> better chance than Livan down the stretch of the season. Too bad the
> Twins are too myopic to see it that way.
>
> brink
Another scenario.
Assume that Liriano is not fully recovered and can only pitch say 10-12
games without breaking down at the major league level.
In that case would it not make more sense to maintain status-quo, keep
pace with the white sox and call him on 23rd Sept to not only deliver a
knockout punch to the white sox but also enable him to not breakdown
in the playoffs. And of course there is not enough scouting video for the
opposition in the playoffs.
Another advantage is that he is not eligible for arbitration and so the
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> <ashbury RemoveThis @skypoint.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, S. Smith wrote:
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>>> Should be interesting to see which Gavin Floyd we get tonight...the
>>> one who nearly no-hit the Twins back in May, or the one who finished
>>> last season with an ERA of 5.27.
>>
>> Should be interesting to see which Livan Hernandez we get tonight...
>> the one who used to be able to get batters out, or the guy on the
>> Twins roster.
>
> Yeah....we got THAT guy. :-/
It's not as though I wished to be prophetic. I'll leave the reverse
psychology to Alan from now on - my Twin Fu is not strong.
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>> This is where Liriano absolutely should have been brought up... a
>> move like that could very well make a huge difference in this race. Every
>> game HTH vs. the White Sox is a 2-game swing in the standings
>> relative to them and since they're likely the Twins' main rival to
>> win the division -- and make the playoffs at all -- you want to do
>> everything you can to maximize the potential of winning these games
>> especially. And for that matter, every start in this spot in the
>> order down the stretch. There's no guarantee that Cisco would be better
>> but I'd say he's got
>> a better chance than Livan down the stretch of the season. Too bad
>> the Twins are too myopic to see it that way.
>>
>> brink
>
> Another scenario.
> Assume that Liriano is not fully recovered and can only pitch say
> 10-12 games without breaking down at the major league level.
> In that case would it not make more sense to maintain status-quo, keep
> pace with the white sox and call him on 23rd Sept to not only deliver
> a knockout punch to the white sox but also enable him to not breakdown
> in the playoffs. And of course there is not enough scouting video for
> the opposition in the playoffs.
> Another advantage is that he is not eligible for arbitration and so
> the twins can
> keep him longer.
I like your posting handle.
Two problems: if Liriano's arm is going to break down, they just be shutting
him down at AAA.... like 3 weeks ago.
Also, he's already not going to be a Super 2 guy, so the Twins are not
keeping him down for salary reasons.
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> > This is where Liriano absolutely should have been brought up... a move
> > like that could very well make a huge difference in this race. Every game
> > HTH vs. the White Sox is a 2-game swing in the standings relative to them
> > and since they're likely the Twins' main rival to win the division -- and
> > make the playoffs at all -- you want to do everything you can to maximize
> > the potential of winning these games especially. And for that matter,
> > every start in this spot in the order down the stretch.
>
> > There's no guarantee that Cisco would be better but I'd say he's got a
> > better chance than Livan down the stretch of the season. Too bad the
> > Twins are too myopic to see it that way.
>
> > brink
>
> Another scenario.
> Assume that Liriano is not fully recovered and can only pitch say 10-12
> games without breaking down at the major league level.
> In that case would it not make more sense to maintain status-quo, keep
> pace with the white sox and call him on 23rd Sept to not only deliver a
> knockout punch to the white sox but also enable him to not breakdown
> in the playoffs. And of course there is not enough scouting video for the
> opposition in the playoffs.
> Another advantage is that he is not eligible for arbitration and so the
> twins can
> keep him longer.
I am trying to imagine a scenario wherein the Twins staff believes he
has 10-12 MLB starts in him. I don't see that as much of a
possibility. After all, he is pitching at MiLB with regularity, and
if he is going to break down, I would expect it to happen there, as
well. I do however like the idea of there being relatively little
scouting data on him. I mean, if you were close to a tie in the
divisional race (which we are) and took Hernandez out of the rotation,
that would be an improvement, if you could just replace him with
somebody who was average. But if in addition to taking out Hernandez,
you could add in 'No-no, it might take the wind out of the Sox'
collective sails. Realistically, though, how many times could you get
him in the rotation against the Sox? Maybe if it's just a few times
it is worth it since HTH games in that case are of somethign like
double the significance of other games. Right brink?
I also agree with brink that they aren't keeping Liriano down for
salary purposes. Not this year when they are in a divisional race.
They are keeping him down because they don't know what to do with
Livan and (to a lesser extent) Bonser. I don't either. Unconditional
release seems kind of harsh, but who would want them? Maybe Livan as
a reliever? But I don't know.
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