Trading Deadline

In article <1122690694.081038.192170 DeleteThis @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
David233 <David233 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:

> I don't think the Astros will trade for another offensive threat, e.g.
> Adam Dunn, etc. but I do think they will trade for LHP for the bullpen.

The Astros and 25 other teams want lefty help...

> I'm hopeful that with playing experience that Burke and Lane will turn
> out similar to Morgan Ensberg.

I can here my Mom:

"Why can't you be like that Ensberg boy, Morgan? He's such a SWEET
boy. And he hits well, too!"
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"GokuVegeta1983" <GokuVegeta1983.1szaou.TakeThisOut@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au>
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> You know the old saying, if it aint broke don't fix it.

I'm not sure how that applies. If you have a race car, just running (not
broke) along with the pack isn't good enough, you need to be faster.

-Sphinx
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"Col. Sphinx Drummond" <sphinx1 DeleteThis @swbell.net> wrote in message
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>> You know the old saying, if it aint broke don't fix it.
>
> I'm not sure how that applies. If you have a race car, just running (not
> broke) along with the pack isn't good enough, you need to be faster.
>
> -Sphinx
>
Considering they have managed to move from the back of the pack to 3rd place
(using your analogy...we have the 3rd best record in the NL) and are gaining
ground on both Atlanta and St. Louis, I don't see how you can call that
"running with the pack".
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> >> You know the old saying, if it aint broke don't fix it.
> >
> > I'm not sure how that applies. If you have a race car, just running (not
> > broke) along with the pack isn't good enough, you need to be faster.
> >
> > -Sphinx
> >
> Considering they have managed to move from the back of the pack to 3rd
place
> (using your analogy...we have the 3rd best record in the NL) and are
gaining
> ground on both Atlanta and St. Louis, I don't see how you can call that
> "running with the pack".

True enough. Good to point that out. I was using a generality. However, I
wasn't specifically referring to the current pace of the Astros when I said
running with the pack. I was actually just referring to the notion that
something had to be broken to be improved upon.

The current pace is good. Nothing wrong with 3rd best record if they
maintain it and one and two aren't in the same division. I'm not expecting
any trade anymore. Nor do I think one is needed.

-Sphinx
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David233 wrote:
> I don't think the Astros will trade for another offensive threat, e.g.
> Adam Dunn, etc. but I do think they will trade for LHP for the bullpen.

Along with 80% of the other MLB teams. Puppet had a deal for Jamie
Moyer, but Moyer nixed it (10&5).

> I personally would love to add another bat to the lineup but I don't
> believe GM Tim P. thinks he can obtain anyone who fits within the
> salary structure and/or is an upgrade over what they already have.

The current market for pitchers and sluggers strongly favors the
sellers. The Astros aren't motivated enough to pay the premium prices
the sellers are asking.

> I just hope the Astros don't do what they did a couple years back when
> they obtained free agents Mark Loretta and reliever Mike Williams in
> trades with Milwaukee and Pittsburgh, respectively, at the trade
> deadline and gave up some prospects for the two of them and then Astros
> management showed no interest in signing them once the season was over.

We traded Keith Ginter and Wayne Franklin in the Loretta deal. We traded
Tony McKnight for Williams. I don't think McKnight has been in MLB for
three or four seasons. Ginter is a bench warmer in Oakland now, with a
..515 OPS. Franklin's ERA has risen the past few seasons, going from 5.50
with the Brewers in 2003 to 6.40 in 2004 with the Giants and to 12.27
(in only 4 2/3 innings) with the Mets. Which one of those three players
would you have liked to see remain as an Astro?

> They basically rented the two players for a couple months.

Some players fit into short-range plans better than they do long-range
plans. Part of that is salary. Williams and Loretta were going to cost
either their former teams before the trade or the Astros afterward a lot
more after their contracts expired than while they were under contract.

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Rodney Parker wrote:
> "David233" <David233 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>>I don't think the Astros will trade for another offensive threat, e.g.
>>Adam Dunn, etc. but I do think they will trade for LHP for the bullpen.
>>I personally would love to add another bat to the lineup but I don't
>>believe GM Tim P. thinks he can obtain anyone who fits within the
>>salary structure and/or is an upgrade over what they already have.
>>
>>I just hope the Astros don't do what they did a couple years back when
>>they obtained free agents Mark Loretta and reliever Mike Williams in
>>trades with Milwaukee and Pittsburgh, respectively, at the trade
>>deadline and gave up some prospects for the two of them and then Astros
>>management showed no interest in signing them once the season was over.
>>They basically rented the two players for a couple months.
>>
>>I'm hopeful that with playing experience that Burke and Lane will turn
>>out similar to Morgan Ensberg.
>>
>>David
>
>
> I am not sure they'll be doing anything on the market now. Their starting
> rotation is as good as there is in baseball right now, and if Astacio's last
> two starts aren't a fluke,

Those weren't flukes. Astacio has the best stuff in the Astros farm
system. Remember, he was throwing against AA hitters here in Round Rock
last season. I think he needed a full season in AAA, but he's showing he
can adjust quickly and dominate MLB hitters when he keeps his pitches down.

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In article <rN3He.54346$gL1.41900@tornado.texas.rr.com>, usual suspect
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> The current market for pitchers and sluggers strongly favors the
> sellers. The Astros aren't motivated enough to pay the premium prices
> the sellers are asking.

Yup. So many teams figure they are still in the WC race; maybe a
player away. Lots of buyers, not many sellers.
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