Trade Lee for Conine?

While I wouldn't make the deal, it's far from a terrible deal. I think they
would keep Conine for next year while there is a good chance we will lose
Lee after this season. Bottom line is, players are going to have to go
next season because Loria and half man can't afford an $80 million payroll.
If I had to lose anyone from the infield it would be Lee. Lowell and
Castillo are keepers and Gonzalez is a good defender but you can't count on
him with runners in scoring position. How many times has he come through
with the basesloaded? Not many.



"Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> This will be a terrible trade, but i guess this is what the Marlins are
> known for. I too heard Marlins are practicing Cabrera at first base. No
> question, something is cooking, and doesn`t smell too good. BTW, Marlins
are
> playing great ball, right behind Expos and Phillies.
> Bert
>
> "Mort Middleman" <mortmid RemoveThis @att.net> wrote in message
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> > Rumors abound that the Marlins are in trade talks with the Orioles,
> > which would send Derek Lee to Baltimore for Jeff Conine. Conine is a
> > very popular player here in South Florida, and I believe, lives here
> > in the off-season. Both Lee and Conine are making 4.7 mil this year.
> > Conine will make 5 mil next year. I think Lee will be eligible for
> > arbitration this coming winter. What do you guys think?
> >
> > My thoughts: Lee has an excellent stats as a "second half" player.
> > Also, he is 27 years old. Conine is 37. Conine has more power.
> > Marlins would be "renting" him for one year at best, while Lee has a
> > long career ahead of him. And Lee's defense can't be faulted. He is
> > constantly digging low throws out of the dirt. I think he prevents a
> > lot of runs from scoring.
> >
>
>
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I still think Cabrera will be our "future" first base, why i think is a
terrible trade, well, i rather trade for a set up or middle reliever. If the
Marlins are to make any kind of run for the playoff, they need all the
pitching they can get.
Well, i don`t blame Loria or any other owner to get into anything close to a
80 mill payroll, i personally think this is outrageous, and in the long run,
it eventually will harm baseball. Example, the Mets, are those players worth
that kind of money? I don`t think so.
Bert
"Rick" <nospam DeleteThis @spamthis.com> wrote in message
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> While I wouldn't make the deal, it's far from a terrible deal. I think
they
> would keep Conine for next year while there is a good chance we will lose
> Lee after this season. Bottom line is, players are going to have to go
> next season because Loria and half man can't afford an $80 million
payroll.
> If I had to lose anyone from the infield it would be Lee. Lowell and
> Castillo are keepers and Gonzalez is a good defender but you can't count
on
> him with runners in scoring position. How many times has he come through
> with the basesloaded? Not many.
>
>
>
> "Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:HEXOa.36551$C83.3026380@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > This will be a terrible trade, but i guess this is what the Marlins are
> > known for. I too heard Marlins are practicing Cabrera at first base. No
> > question, something is cooking, and doesn`t smell too good. BTW, Marlins
> are
> > playing great ball, right behind Expos and Phillies.
> > Bert
> >
> > "Mort Middleman" <mortmid DeleteThis @att.net> wrote in message
> > news:3dcogv4hls9srdakrgcc0mk5a4sfq27a6r@4ax.com...
> > > Rumors abound that the Marlins are in trade talks with the Orioles,
> > > which would send Derek Lee to Baltimore for Jeff Conine. Conine is a
> > > very popular player here in South Florida, and I believe, lives here
> > > in the off-season. Both Lee and Conine are making 4.7 mil this year.
> > > Conine will make 5 mil next year. I think Lee will be eligible for
> > > arbitration this coming winter. What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > My thoughts: Lee has an excellent stats as a "second half" player.
> > > Also, he is 27 years old. Conine is 37. Conine has more power.
> > > Marlins would be "renting" him for one year at best, while Lee has a
> > > long career ahead of him. And Lee's defense can't be faulted. He is
> > > constantly digging low throws out of the dirt. I think he prevents a
> > > lot of runs from scoring.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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I agree that we need bullpen help. I argued that point in the off season
when Loria decided to spend valuable money on a pitcher to an in division
team, that we need some decent arms in the pen. I also would not have
signed Pudge for $10 million and defer that salary over 3 years. Think
about what all that defered money could do to a cash strapped organization?

As far as a trade for the pen, yes we need it but NOT Benetiz! The holes
that need filling is in the pen and we need someone, anyone who can get a
"clutch" hit.

I doubt they would move Cabrera to first since he has had to get used Left
and you don't want to force to many changes to a rookie. Cabrera still
might be at third next year as Lowell might become a free agent.


"Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I still think Cabrera will be our "future" first base, why i think is a
> terrible trade, well, i rather trade for a set up or middle reliever. If
the
> Marlins are to make any kind of run for the playoff, they need all the
> pitching they can get.
> Well, i don`t blame Loria or any other owner to get into anything close to
a
> 80 mill payroll, i personally think this is outrageous, and in the long
run,
> it eventually will harm baseball. Example, the Mets, are those players
worth
> that kind of money? I don`t think so.
> Bert
> "Rick" <nospam.TakeThisOut@spamthis.com> wrote in message
> news:SR_Oa.8201$K67.6394@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > While I wouldn't make the deal, it's far from a terrible deal. I think
> they
> > would keep Conine for next year while there is a good chance we will
lose
> > Lee after this season. Bottom line is, players are going to have to go
> > next season because Loria and half man can't afford an $80 million
> payroll.
> > If I had to lose anyone from the infield it would be Lee. Lowell and
> > Castillo are keepers and Gonzalez is a good defender but you can't count
> on
> > him with runners in scoring position. How many times has he come
through
> > with the basesloaded? Not many.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:HEXOa.36551$C83.3026380@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > This will be a terrible trade, but i guess this is what the Marlins
are
> > > known for. I too heard Marlins are practicing Cabrera at first base.
No
> > > question, something is cooking, and doesn`t smell too good. BTW,
Marlins
> > are
> > > playing great ball, right behind Expos and Phillies.
> > > Bert
> > >
> > > "Mort Middleman" <mortmid.TakeThisOut@att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3dcogv4hls9srdakrgcc0mk5a4sfq27a6r@4ax.com...
> > > > Rumors abound that the Marlins are in trade talks with the Orioles,
> > > > which would send Derek Lee to Baltimore for Jeff Conine. Conine is
a
> > > > very popular player here in South Florida, and I believe, lives here
> > > > in the off-season. Both Lee and Conine are making 4.7 mil this
year.
> > > > Conine will make 5 mil next year. I think Lee will be eligible for
> > > > arbitration this coming winter. What do you guys think?
> > > >
> > > > My thoughts: Lee has an excellent stats as a "second half" player.
> > > > Also, he is 27 years old. Conine is 37. Conine has more power.
> > > > Marlins would be "renting" him for one year at best, while Lee has a
> > > > long career ahead of him. And Lee's defense can't be faulted. He
is
> > > > constantly digging low throws out of the dirt. I think he prevents
a
> > > > lot of runs from scoring.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Disagree about Pudge, he has played very well, and won a few games with his
timely hitting, sure, 10 mill is a lot of money. Hate to do this, but the
correct spelling is Benitez, not Benetiz, to be honest, if the price is
right, i wouldn`t mind having him. Still think Lee and Penny will be gone,
and eventually Cabrera will play first.
Bert
"Rick" <nospam.DeleteThis@spamthis.com> wrote in message
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> I agree that we need bullpen help. I argued that point in the off season
> when Loria decided to spend valuable money on a pitcher to an in division
> team, that we need some decent arms in the pen. I also would not have
> signed Pudge for $10 million and defer that salary over 3 years. Think
> about what all that defered money could do to a cash strapped
organization?
>
> As far as a trade for the pen, yes we need it but NOT Benetiz! The holes
> that need filling is in the pen and we need someone, anyone who can get a
> "clutch" hit.
>
> I doubt they would move Cabrera to first since he has had to get used Left
> and you don't want to force to many changes to a rookie. Cabrera still
> might be at third next year as Lowell might become a free agent.
>
>
> "Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Vo2Pa.37633$C83.3070691@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > I still think Cabrera will be our "future" first base, why i think is a
> > terrible trade, well, i rather trade for a set up or middle reliever. If
> the
> > Marlins are to make any kind of run for the playoff, they need all the
> > pitching they can get.
> > Well, i don`t blame Loria or any other owner to get into anything close
to
> a
> > 80 mill payroll, i personally think this is outrageous, and in the long
> run,
> > it eventually will harm baseball. Example, the Mets, are those players
> worth
> > that kind of money? I don`t think so.
> > Bert
> > "Rick" <nospam.DeleteThis@spamthis.com> wrote in message
> > news:SR_Oa.8201$K67.6394@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > While I wouldn't make the deal, it's far from a terrible deal. I
think
> > they
> > > would keep Conine for next year while there is a good chance we will
> lose
> > > Lee after this season. Bottom line is, players are going to have to
go
> > > next season because Loria and half man can't afford an $80 million
> > payroll.
> > > If I had to lose anyone from the infield it would be Lee. Lowell and
> > > Castillo are keepers and Gonzalez is a good defender but you can't
count
> > on
> > > him with runners in scoring position. How many times has he come
> through
> > > with the basesloaded? Not many.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:HEXOa.36551$C83.3026380@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > > This will be a terrible trade, but i guess this is what the Marlins
> are
> > > > known for. I too heard Marlins are practicing Cabrera at first
base.
> No
> > > > question, something is cooking, and doesn`t smell too good. BTW,
> Marlins
> > > are
> > > > playing great ball, right behind Expos and Phillies.
> > > > Bert
> > > >
> > > > "Mort Middleman" <mortmid.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3dcogv4hls9srdakrgcc0mk5a4sfq27a6r@4ax.com...
> > > > > Rumors abound that the Marlins are in trade talks with the
Orioles,
> > > > > which would send Derek Lee to Baltimore for Jeff Conine. Conine
is
> a
> > > > > very popular player here in South Florida, and I believe, lives
here
> > > > > in the off-season. Both Lee and Conine are making 4.7 mil this
> year.
> > > > > Conine will make 5 mil next year. I think Lee will be eligible
for
> > > > > arbitration this coming winter. What do you guys think?
> > > > >
> > > > > My thoughts: Lee has an excellent stats as a "second half"
player.
> > > > > Also, he is 27 years old. Conine is 37. Conine has more power.
> > > > > Marlins would be "renting" him for one year at best, while Lee has
a
> > > > > long career ahead of him. And Lee's defense can't be faulted. He
> is
> > > > > constantly digging low throws out of the dirt. I think he
prevents
> a
> > > > > lot of runs from scoring.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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I don't argue about what Pudge has done this season. I think that the 10
mill could have been spent. Red and Castro would have done a decent job at
catcher.

My problem with Pudge's deal is you have a cash strapped organization, that
will be paying a salary, for someone who won't be on the team next year.
That's $7 million that could go for a free agent that will instead be
defered to Pudge. Same thing with Hampton. Next year the Marlins could be
paying for 2 players salary who won't be on the team. Take that money and
use it on Lowell or Castillo or a free agent. It's called fiscal
responsibility. Something that half-man cried about last year. Winning
this year will be great to bring in fans but if there is a selloff or
another fire sale, the gains in support this year will be lost.


After I sent the post the I backtracked on my statement about Benetiz. I'm
one of the first to believe that a change of scenary could do a Benetiz
well.



"Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Disagree about Pudge, he has played very well, and won a few games with
his
> timely hitting, sure, 10 mill is a lot of money. Hate to do this, but the
> correct spelling is Benitez, not Benetiz, to be honest, if the price is
> right, i wouldn`t mind having him. Still think Lee and Penny will be gone,
> and eventually Cabrera will play first.
> Bert
> "Rick" <nospam.DeleteThis@spamthis.com> wrote in message
> news:JagPa.3981$zJ6.2496@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > I agree that we need bullpen help. I argued that point in the off
season
> > when Loria decided to spend valuable money on a pitcher to an in
division
> > team, that we need some decent arms in the pen. I also would not have
> > signed Pudge for $10 million and defer that salary over 3 years. Think
> > about what all that defered money could do to a cash strapped
> organization?
> >
> > As far as a trade for the pen, yes we need it but NOT Benetiz! The
holes
> > that need filling is in the pen and we need someone, anyone who can get
a
> > "clutch" hit.
> >
> > I doubt they would move Cabrera to first since he has had to get used
Left
> > and you don't want to force to many changes to a rookie. Cabrera still
> > might be at third next year as Lowell might become a free agent.
> >
> >
> > "Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:Vo2Pa.37633$C83.3070691@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > I still think Cabrera will be our "future" first base, why i think is
a
> > > terrible trade, well, i rather trade for a set up or middle reliever.
If
> > the
> > > Marlins are to make any kind of run for the playoff, they need all the
> > > pitching they can get.
> > > Well, i don`t blame Loria or any other owner to get into anything
close
> to
> > a
> > > 80 mill payroll, i personally think this is outrageous, and in the
long
> > run,
> > > it eventually will harm baseball. Example, the Mets, are those players
> > worth
> > > that kind of money? I don`t think so.
> > > Bert
> > > "Rick" <nospam.DeleteThis@spamthis.com> wrote in message
> > > news:SR_Oa.8201$K67.6394@fe04.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > > While I wouldn't make the deal, it's far from a terrible deal. I
> think
> > > they
> > > > would keep Conine for next year while there is a good chance we will
> > lose
> > > > Lee after this season. Bottom line is, players are going to have
to
> go
> > > > next season because Loria and half man can't afford an $80 million
> > > payroll.
> > > > If I had to lose anyone from the infield it would be Lee. Lowell
and
> > > > Castillo are keepers and Gonzalez is a good defender but you can't
> count
> > > on
> > > > him with runners in scoring position. How many times has he come
> > through
> > > > with the basesloaded? Not many.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Robert Muñoz" <robertwmunoz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:HEXOa.36551$C83.3026380@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > > > This will be a terrible trade, but i guess this is what the
Marlins
> > are
> > > > > known for. I too heard Marlins are practicing Cabrera at first
> base.
> > No
> > > > > question, something is cooking, and doesn`t smell too good. BTW,
> > Marlins
> > > > are
> > > > > playing great ball, right behind Expos and Phillies.
> > > > > Bert
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mort Middleman" <mortmid.DeleteThis@att.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3dcogv4hls9srdakrgcc0mk5a4sfq27a6r@4ax.com...
> > > > > > Rumors abound that the Marlins are in trade talks with the
> Orioles,
> > > > > > which would send Derek Lee to Baltimore for Jeff Conine. Conine
> is
> > a
> > > > > > very popular player here in South Florida, and I believe, lives
> here
> > > > > > in the off-season. Both Lee and Conine are making 4.7 mil this
> > year.
> > > > > > Conine will make 5 mil next year. I think Lee will be eligible
> for
> > > > > > arbitration this coming winter. What do you guys think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thoughts: Lee has an excellent stats as a "second half"
> player.
> > > > > > Also, he is 27 years old. Conine is 37. Conine has more power.
> > > > > > Marlins would be "renting" him for one year at best, while Lee
has
> a
> > > > > > long career ahead of him. And Lee's defense can't be faulted.
He
> > is
> > > > > > constantly digging low throws out of the dirt. I think he
> prevents
> > a
> > > > > > lot of runs from scoring.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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