Time to end a tradition of brotherhood in MLB

"Ironside" <old_ironside.TakeThisOut@SPAMREALLYSUXhotmail.com.REMOVECAPSTOREPLY> wrote
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> "AllYou!" <idaman.TakeThisOut@conversent.net> wrote in message
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>> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head, and I
>> survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a bad
>> reputation to have, IMO.
>
> If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

Which would result in ball one. You'd either have to walk him or have a bat
thrown at you. He wins either way. Besides, he'd likely face you again.
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"Judge Dread" <dred.TakeThisOut@hell.net> wrote in message news:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> the
> sake of change.
> For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> ball tradition to an end.
>
> Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> professional team sports...
>
> First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> probation
> period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> including
> game forfeiture.
>
> However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> in
> a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> score
> is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> with
> a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> over
> aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that? Other sports have
> unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> penalties.
>
> IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> issue
> and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> appealed does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> credibility to the game.
>
> And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> balls
> and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> the
> way the rule book states.
>
>
Sounds like the real answer is to have Congress insist on a "special
prosecutor" to determine if there has been any wrong doing each time a
batter gets hit.
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> <HUGE SNIP>
>
> To me the warning rule is flawed. If the ump knows a pitcher threw at
> a guy or thinks he knows enough to give a warning, he ought to have
> the option to toss him right there. Why give him a free shot and
> handcuff the other team? If he just thinks the game may get out of
> hand, and isn't sure if a pitch was intentional, then he should have
> the option of a warning too.

Nothing prevents an ump from issuing a warning at any time for any reason.
He is likewise NOT required to eject a pitcher AFTER said warning if he
doesn't think the pitcher deliberately hit the batter. We just saw an
example of that quite recently.
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"Dano" <janeanddano DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> <HUGE SNIP>
>>
>> To me the warning rule is flawed. If the ump knows a pitcher threw at
>> a guy or thinks he knows enough to give a warning, he ought to have
>> the option to toss him right there. Why give him a free shot and
>> handcuff the other team? If he just thinks the game may get out of
>> hand, and isn't sure if a pitch was intentional, then he should have
>> the option of a warning too.
>
> Nothing prevents an ump from issuing a warning at any time for any reason.
> He is likewise NOT required to eject a pitcher AFTER said warning if he
> doesn't think the pitcher deliberately hit the batter. We just saw an
> example of that quite recently.
..

True. However, my point was that they have to give the warning to the first
pitcher involved, even if was obvious the pitch was intentional. He should
have the option of ejecting him right there. I could be wrong but I don't
think umps have that option. They have to warn and then they can eject or
not as they see fit.

Why can the second guy that throws at a hitter be ejected but not the first
guy that started it?
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Ironside wrote:
> "AllYou!" <idaman DeleteThis @conversent.net> wrote in message
> news:E4GdnRBmhfRsp27VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@posted.choiceonecommunications...
>> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head, and I
>> survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a bad
>> reputation to have, IMO.
>
> If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

Why not hit a batter if he had 3 balls and first base is open...if you
really want to?
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In news:KYLIk.3255$as4.2486@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com,
Ironside <old_ironside.DeleteThis@SPAMREALLYSUXhotmail.com.REMOVECAPSTOREPLY>
mused:
> "AllYou!" <idaman.DeleteThis@conversent.net> wrote in message
> news:E4GdnRBmhfRsp27VnZ2dnUVZ_vzinZ2d@posted.choiceonecommunications...
>> I think that if a pitcher ever intentionally threw at my head,
>> and I survived, I'd let the bat fly on the very next pitch. Not a
>> bad reputation to have, IMO.
>
> If I was a pitcher, then I'd only throw at you with two strikes.

Unless your career would end shortly thereafter, or mine, I'd get my
chance.
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On Oct 13, 12:54 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 13, 12:22 am, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 10:25 pm, "mr. nads" <crazed....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Judge Dread" <d....RemoveThis@hell.net> wrote in messagenews:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> > > > There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> > > > the
> > > > sake of change.
> > > > For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> > > > ball tradition to an end.
>
> > > > Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> > > > professional team sports...
>
> > > > First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> > > > to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> > > > thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> > > > Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> > > > ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> > > > required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> > > > error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> > > > said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> > > > participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> > > > probation
> > > > period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> > > > including
> > > > game forfeiture.
>
> > > > However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> > > > in
> > > > a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> > > > panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> > > > Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> > > > inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> > > > just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> > > > score
> > > > is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> > > > a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> > > > with
> > > > a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> > > > over
> > > > aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> > > > unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> > > > player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> > > > penalties.
>
> > > > IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> > > > issue
> > > > and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> > > > appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> > > > time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> > > > credibility to the game.
>
> > > > And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> > > > policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> > > > balls
> > > > and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> > > > the
> > > > way the rule book states.
>
> > > This rule is way too complicated.  If a batter is hit intentionally by a
> > > pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat (at
> > > full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck.  That would
> > > pretty much end the problem right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based
> > exactly the
> > way the rule book states.
>
> > Uh, can we ask all politicians to follow that thing called
> > the Constitution "exactly as it is stated"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> constitution exatly as its stated???
>  you've obviously never read it.
> its not that long. you shouldhttp://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Thanxx to Raymond for telling me, your dee-dee cat,
what I may or may not have read.

Raymonds is such a schmartties.
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On Oct 13, 7:18 pm, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 13, 12:54 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 13, 12:22 am, "ddca...@yahoo.com" <ddca... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 12, 10:25 pm, "mr. nads" <crazed... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Judge Dread" <d... DeleteThis @hell.net> wrote in messagenews:gcuaht$ckr$2@aioe.org...
> > > > > There will always be the purists that will always refuse change only for
> > > > > the
> > > > > sake of change.
> > > > > For the good of the game (IMO) it is time to bring the (retaliation) bean
> > > > > ball tradition to an end.
>
> > > > > Here is how I would try to end the most childish tradition in all of
> > > > > professional team sports...
>
> > > > > First, any player that signs an major league contract agrees (by contract)
> > > > > to NEVER intentionally attempt to strike a batter or other player with a
> > > > > thrown pitch or play ball.
>
> > > > > Second, Any pitcher striking a batter with a thrown pitch or play
> > > > > ball...after the completion of the play would seek a time out and be
> > > > > required to approach the struck play, shake hands and apologize for their
> > > > > error...failure of either party to willing shake hands and or give/accept
> > > > > said apologies would be ejected for the remainder of the series. Any
> > > > > participation in the above mentioned activities would also carry a
> > > > > probation
> > > > > period that if violated would bring down much more sever penalties
> > > > > including
> > > > > game forfeiture.
>
> > > > > However there must be a check and balance system and any player involved
> > > > > in
> > > > > a "bean ball" scenario should be able to file a legal grievance with the a
> > > > > panel set up in a judicial manner to keep all rights equal.
>
> > > > > Nothing will ever stop the raw emotion of high stakes competition from
> > > > > inciting opposing groups from extra curricular activity but in my opinion
> > > > > just the basic idea of "beaning" an opposing batter to settle a heated
> > > > > score
> > > > > is as childish, playground "get even" tactic as there is...
>
> > > > > a typical scenario might be... a base runner over aggressively collides
> > > > > with
> > > > > a baseman possibly causing an injury. Low and behold down the road the
> > > > > over
> > > > > aggressive runner gets beaned. How stupid is that?  Other sports have
> > > > > unsportsmanlike like penalties, there should be a review board and if a
> > > > > player is found to have been unsportsmanlike like they should face severe
> > > > > penalties.
>
> > > > > IMO, the current practice of MLB basically turning a blind eye to the
> > > > > issue
> > > > > and also rolling over and reducing initial penalties handed down when
> > > > > appealed  does nothing but set a terrible example to young players. It is
> > > > > time for MLB and "bud (light) Selig to wake up and try to return some
> > > > > credibility to the game.
>
> > > > > And while I'm on the soap box...they should instill a very strict policing
> > > > > policy on the officiating crews and increase the efficiency of calling
> > > > > balls
> > > > > and strikes, the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based exactly
> > > > > the
> > > > > way the rule book states.
>
> > > > This rule is way too complicated.  If a batter is hit intentionally by a
> > > > pitch, then the batter should be able to hit the pitcher with his bat (at
> > > > full swing I might add) on the same spot that he was struck.  That would
> > > > pretty much end the problem right there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > the rule book clearly defines the strike zone, all umpires
> > > should be required to conform to calling balls and strikes based
> > > exactly the
> > > way the rule book states.
>
> > > Uh, can we ask all politicians to follow that thing called
> > > the Constitution "exactly as it is stated"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > constitution exatly as its stated???
> >  you've obviously never read it.
> > its not that long. you shouldhttp://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanxx to Raymond for telling me, your dee-dee cat,
> what I may or may not have read.
>
> Raymonds is such a schmartties.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


you obviously haven't read it
they had abortions back then but somehow they didn't think to ban
them.

and are we to go back to slavery? and blacks only being 3/5ths of a
human? that is clearly stated in it.
and lets not have women voting anymore.

the fact is they wrote it as a living document and even put in
provisions to change it as needed.
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That was the Dodgers congratulating the Cardinals. Maybe they can do it
to the Phillies in game 5 since it will be their final game of the year.
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