Tigers, Yankees supporting bottom-feeder teams like the Tw..

On Dec 23, 9:20 am, powrwrap wrote:
> On Dec 23, 8:59 am, "Likely Story" wrote:
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> > You're welcome.
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> >
>
> >http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081222&content_id=3726222&v...
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> Bottom feeders? You mean last place teams? Like the Tigers!

If by "bottom feeders," he means teams that don't pay the luxury tax,
then by definition, the Tigers have always been bottom feeders until
this year, when they almost were again. If he means to describe a
category that the 2008 Twins fit in, that neither the 2008 Yankees nor
2008 Tigers do, then it must mean something like: Teams that did
really well on a pretty modest payroll. That would define the Twins
and exclude the other 2. Maybe that's what he meant by "bottom
feeders" or maybe it was something else. Maybe LS would care to
enlighten. Probably not.

brianj
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:20:30 -0800 (PST), powrwrap
wrote:

>On Dec 23, 8:59 am, "Likely Story" wrote:
>> You're welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081222&content_id=3726222&v...
>
>Bottom feeders? You mean last place teams? Like the Tigers!

The great thing here is that even when the Tigers and Yankees
try to spend their way to victory, teams like the Twins and Devil
Rays do better by doing things the old fashioned way...by playing
sound fundamental baseball and having strong minor league
systems.

LOL

BTW, so far it looks like the Tigers aren't doing (or can't do) much
to fix things this off-season....so expect another mediocre season
from them (which would be a vast improvement over last season,
I suppose).

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> On Dec 23, 9:47 am, Scott wrote:
>
> BTW, so far it looks like the Tigers aren't doing (or can't do) much
> to fix things this off-season....so expect another mediocre season
> from them (which would be a vast improvement over last season,
> I suppose).

Yeah, signing Gerald Laird and Adam Everett and trading for Edwin
Jackson.

WOW! Big time maneuvers. That'll pull them out of the AL central
cellar for sure!

Their starters most recent ERA's (2006, 2007, 2008):

Jackson 5.45, 5.76, 4.42
Bonderman 4.08, 5.01, 4.29
Robertson 3.84, 4.76, 6.35
Willis 3.87, 5.17, 9.38
Verlander 3.63, 3.66, 4.84

They also don't have a proven closer.
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:01:33 -0800 (PST), powrwrap
wrote:

>> On Dec 23, 9:47 am, Scott wrote:
>>
>> BTW, so far it looks like the Tigers aren't doing (or can't do) much
>> to fix things this off-season....so expect another mediocre season
>> from them (which would be a vast improvement over last season,
>> I suppose).
>
>Yeah, signing Gerald Laird and Adam Everett and trading for Edwin
>Jackson.
>
>WOW! Big time maneuvers. That'll pull them out of the AL central
>cellar for sure!
>
>Their starters most recent ERA's (2006, 2007, 2008):
>
>Jackson 5.45, 5.76, 4.42
>Bonderman 4.08, 5.01, 4.29
>Robertson 3.84, 4.76, 6.35
>Willis 3.87, 5.17, 9.38
>Verlander 3.63, 3.66, 4.84
>
>They also don't have a proven closer.

Plus their pen is still pretty questionable.

My prediction is that the Tigers miss the playoffs again, and Leyland
is shown the door at seasons end.

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Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:01:33 -0800 (PST), powrwrap
> wrote:
>
>>> On Dec 23, 9:47 am, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, so far it looks like the Tigers aren't doing (or can't do) much
>>> to fix things this off-season....so expect another mediocre season
>>> from them (which would be a vast improvement over last season,
>>> I suppose).
>>
>> Yeah, signing Gerald Laird and Adam Everett and trading for Edwin
>> Jackson.
>>
>> WOW! Big time maneuvers. That'll pull them out of the AL central
>> cellar for sure!
>>
>> Their starters most recent ERA's (2006, 2007, 2008):
>>
>> Jackson 5.45, 5.76, 4.42
>> Bonderman 4.08, 5.01, 4.29
>> Robertson 3.84, 4.76, 6.35
>> Willis 3.87, 5.17, 9.38
>> Verlander 3.63, 3.66, 4.84
>>
>> They also don't have a proven closer.
>
> Plus their pen is still pretty questionable.
>
> My prediction is that the Tigers miss the playoffs again, and Leyland
> is shown the door at seasons end.

Leyland is safe, if he leaves it will be of his own accord.

brink
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On Dec 24, 12:38 am, "brink" wrote:
> Scott wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:01:33 -0800 (PST), powrwrap
> > wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 23, 9:47 am, Scott wrote:
>
> >>> BTW, so far it looks like the Tigers aren't doing (or can't do) much
> >>> to fix things this off-season....so expect another mediocre season
> >>> from them (which would be a vast improvement over last season,
> >>> I suppose).
>
> >> Yeah, signing Gerald Laird and Adam Everett and trading for Edwin
> >> Jackson.
>
> >> WOW! Big time maneuvers. That'll pull them out of the AL central
> >> cellar for sure!
>
> >> Their starters most recent ERA's (2006, 2007, 2008):
>
> >> Jackson      5.45, 5.76, 4.42
> >> Bonderman 4.08, 5.01, 4.29
> >> Robertson   3.84, 4.76, 6.35
> >> Willis          3.87, 5.17, 9.38
> >> Verlander    3.63, 3.66, 4.84
>
> >> They also don't have a proven closer.
>
> > Plus their pen is still pretty questionable.
>
> > My prediction is that the Tigers miss the playoffs again, and Leyland
> > is shown the door at seasons end.
>
> Leyland is safe, if he leaves it will be of his own accord.
>
> brink- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

You mean because the organization doesn't see him as the problem, or
just because he is Leyland? I mean, I always think of him as a good
manager, but sometimes he does things that puzzle me (what manager
doesn't?). Are you thiniing it is his skills that will save him? Or
his reputation?

brianj
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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:22:01 -0800 (PST), brianj
wrote:

>On Dec 24, 12:38 am, "brink" wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>> > On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:01:33 -0800 (PST), powrwrap
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Dec 23, 9:47 am, Scott wrote:
>>
>> >>> BTW, so far it looks like the Tigers aren't doing (or can't do) much
>> >>> to fix things this off-season....so expect another mediocre season
>> >>> from them (which would be a vast improvement over last season,
>> >>> I suppose).
>>
>> >> Yeah, signing Gerald Laird and Adam Everett and trading for Edwin
>> >> Jackson.
>>
>> >> WOW! Big time maneuvers. That'll pull them out of the AL central
>> >> cellar for sure!
>>
>> >> Their starters most recent ERA's (2006, 2007, 2008):
>>
>> >> Jackson      5.45, 5.76, 4.42
>> >> Bonderman 4.08, 5.01, 4.29
>> >> Robertson   3.84, 4.76, 6.35
>> >> Willis          3.87, 5.17, 9.38
>> >> Verlander    3.63, 3.66, 4.84
>>
>> >> They also don't have a proven closer.
>>
>> > Plus their pen is still pretty questionable.
>>
>> > My prediction is that the Tigers miss the playoffs again, and Leyland
>> > is shown the door at seasons end.
>>
>> Leyland is safe, if he leaves it will be of his own accord.
>>
>> brink- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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>You mean because the organization doesn't see him as the problem, or
>just because he is Leyland? I mean, I always think of him as a good
>manager, but sometimes he does things that puzzle me (what manager
>doesn't?). Are you thiniing it is his skills that will save him? Or
>his reputation?

I don't think he's safe. They didn't offer him a contract extension
beyond this season for a reason.

Sure, he could end up somewhere else, or choose to save face
by leaving on his own after this season. But either way, if the Tigs
have another miserable or mediocre season, he's gone after this
one, IMO.


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