Tiger games in Hi-Def

"John A Witzke" <JWitzke.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> bill:
>
> Some will stand on principle and refuse to pay for TV.
>
> ==================================
>
> then apparently they're not nearly as big a fans as they've always
> claimed to be...jmo
>



one has nothing to do with the other. the price of cable and/or satellite TV
is what it is because so many people just pay the bill month after month,
while complaining (inside their home) about how there's nothing on.





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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:23:57 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
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>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:19:59 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
>> <billkawalec DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"John A Witzke" <JWitzke DeleteThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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>>>> The DirecTV/Extra Innings pact has been treated as a done deal for the
>>>> last month or so, and so you're probably wondering, as am I, why MLB
>>>> just doesn't announce the agreement and face the inevitable regulatory
>>>> scrutiny that will ensue. Astros owner Drayton McLane, who instead
>>>> expressed concern Friday about "our good senator (John Kerry), who wants
>>>> to get an investigation. The NFL has done this with (DirecTV) and the
>>>> NBA has done it, and all of a sudden baseball is the bad guy. ...
>>>> Baseball is being held to a different standard."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/barron/4581116.html
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> nice to see that mr. mclane, a respected MLB owner, can see the forest
>>>> through the trees...those who consider themselves big fans that wanna
>>>> see every game will make the necessary switch if they want to,
>>>
>>>
>>>no they won't. Some will stand on principle and refuse to pay for TV. MLB
>>>(and all the other sports, about which I don't really give a rat's a**)
>>>needs to wake up and realize it is NOT good business to restrict access!
>>>It
>>>freakin' sucks that they charge for RADIO BROADCASTS on the net! Radio
>>>staions already paid once for those rights, and, you used to be able to
>>>find
>>>local stations with webcasts for free. It's just greed, greed and more
>>>greed.
>>
>> I agree. In addition, referencing the article quoted above, the NBA
>> has NBA League Pass which is available on cable and satellite. They
>> are smart enough not to restrict access like MLB is proposing and NFL
>> is doing.
>
>
>
>I think my view is a tad more extreme than yours though. When I say they
>should not restirct access, I mean they shouldn't make you pay. Of course, I
>know it's not practical to have all games avaiable on broadcast TV (although
>I do think there should be more), but I don't think there should be extra
>fees involved.
>Whatever happened to The Baseball Network?? Was in the mid '90s, if I recall
>correctly. I thought that was a good concept, because MLB was essentially
>buying the air tiem, which made them, at least in part, responsible for
>promoting it.

It was a joint venture involving ABC, NBC and Major League Baseball.
It only ran during the 1994 and 1995 seasons. Games were produced by
Major League Baseball's in-house facilities while ABC and NBC for the
most part, distributed the telecasts rather than producing them
outright.

The Baseball Network came after CBS's contract with MLB from 1990-1993
ended. CBS was going through some rough financial problems at the
time and couldn't afford another MLB contract.

Thus MLB came up with a revenue sharing plan between ABC, NBC and
themselves and thus the Baseball Network was born.

A major problem with Baseball Night in America (which was the program
that aired up to fourteen games based on the viewers' region -
affiliates chose games of local interest to carry- as opposed to a
traditional coast-to-coast format. Normally, announcers who
represented each of the teams playing in the respective games were
paired with each other.) was the idea that viewers couldn't watch
"important" games.

In addition, Baseball Night in America held exclusivity over every
market. This most severely impacted markets with two teams,
specifically New York (Mets and Yankees), Los Angeles/Anaheim, Chicago
(Cubs and White Sox) and San Francisco/Oakland. For example, if
Baseball Night in America showed a Chicago Cubs game, this meant that
nobody in Chicago could see that night's White Sox game and vice
versa.

Things got so bad for The Baseball Network that even local
broadcasters objected to its operations. Worse yet, even if a market
had only one team, the ABC or NBC affiliate could still not broadcast
that team's game if the start time was not appropriate for the time
zone. For example, if the Detroit Tigers played a road game in Seattle
beginning at 8:00 p.m. PT (a late game), Detroit's Baseball Network
affiliate couldn't air the game because the start time was too late
for the Detroit area (11:00 p.m. ET). Detroit viewers only had the
option of viewing the early game of the night.

Sports Illustrated, for one, was very harsh on The Baseball Network,
for whom SI dubbed "America's regional pastime" and an "abomination."

ABC Sports president Dennis Swanson, in announcing the dissolution of
The Baseball Network said, "The fact of the matter is, Major League
Baseball seems incapable at this point in time, of living with any
longterm relationships, whether its with fans, with players, with the
political community in Washington, with the advertising community here
in Manhattan, or with its TV partners."

Five years after The Baseball Network dissolved, NBC Sports
play-by-play man Bob Costas wrote in his book "Fair Ball: A Fan's Case
for Baseball" that The Baseball Network was "stupid and an
abomination." Costas wrote that the agreement involving the World
Series being the only instance of The Baseball Network broadcasting a
national telecast was an unprecedented surrender of prestige, as well
as a slap to all serious fans.

The demise of the Baseball Network was a good thing. What needs to
happen is that MLB Extra Innings should be on cable as well as
satellite. ESPN also needs to go back to broadcasting more games than
it currently does. Of course that involves contract with MLB and
there may be some exclusivity involved in current contracts with FOX
and whomever else does the games nowadays.

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:21:37 -0500, JWitzke.TakeThisOut@webtv.net (John A Witzke)
wrote:

>skippy:
>
>..the NBA has NBA League Pass
>
>==================================
>
>the NBA?!?!?!...never heard of it

Too bad. Best sport on the planet.

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"SkippyPB" <swiegand RemoveThis @Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:21:37 -0500, JWitzke RemoveThis @webtv.net (John A Witzke)
> wrote:
>
>>skippy:
>>
>>..the NBA has NBA League Pass
>>
>>==================================
>>
>>the NBA?!?!?!...never heard of it
>
> Too bad. Best sport on the planet.
>
>

Hardly...
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"SkippyPB" <swiegand.TakeThisOut@Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:23:57 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"SkippyPB" <swiegand.TakeThisOut@Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:lig8u293boetkasmeeg135vme7pdl0gm66@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:19:59 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
>>> <billkawalec.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John A Witzke" <JWitzke.TakeThisOut@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1640-45E37ED0-1261@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
>>>>> The DirecTV/Extra Innings pact has been treated as a done deal for the
>>>>> last month or so, and so you're probably wondering, as am I, why MLB
>>>>> just doesn't announce the agreement and face the inevitable regulatory
>>>>> scrutiny that will ensue. Astros owner Drayton McLane, who instead
>>>>> expressed concern Friday about "our good senator (John Kerry), who
>>>>> wants
>>>>> to get an investigation. The NFL has done this with (DirecTV) and the
>>>>> NBA has done it, and all of a sudden baseball is the bad guy. ...
>>>>> Baseball is being held to a different standard."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/barron/4581116.html
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> nice to see that mr. mclane, a respected MLB owner, can see the forest
>>>>> through the trees...those who consider themselves big fans that wanna
>>>>> see every game will make the necessary switch if they want to,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>no they won't. Some will stand on principle and refuse to pay for TV.
>>>>MLB
>>>>(and all the other sports, about which I don't really give a rat's a**)
>>>>needs to wake up and realize it is NOT good business to restrict access!
>>>>It
>>>>freakin' sucks that they charge for RADIO BROADCASTS on the net! Radio
>>>>staions already paid once for those rights, and, you used to be able to
>>>>find
>>>>local stations with webcasts for free. It's just greed, greed and more
>>>>greed.
>>>
>>> I agree. In addition, referencing the article quoted above, the NBA
>>> has NBA League Pass which is available on cable and satellite. They
>>> are smart enough not to restrict access like MLB is proposing and NFL
>>> is doing.
>>
>>
>>
>>I think my view is a tad more extreme than yours though. When I say they
>>should not restirct access, I mean they shouldn't make you pay. Of course,
>>I
>>know it's not practical to have all games avaiable on broadcast TV
>>(although
>>I do think there should be more), but I don't think there should be extra
>>fees involved.
>>Whatever happened to The Baseball Network?? Was in the mid '90s, if I
>>recall
>>correctly. I thought that was a good concept, because MLB was essentially
>>buying the air tiem, which made them, at least in part, responsible for
>>promoting it.
>
> It was a joint venture involving ABC, NBC and Major League Baseball.
> It only ran during the 1994 and 1995 seasons. Games were produced by
> Major League Baseball's in-house facilities while ABC and NBC for the
> most part, distributed the telecasts rather than producing them
> outright.


Wasn't ESPN also involved? I could be wrong, but I thought there was a third
TV outlet in there.



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>
> The Baseball Network came after CBS's contract with MLB from 1990-1993
> ended. CBS was going through some rough financial problems at the
> time and couldn't afford another MLB contract.
>
> Thus MLB came up with a revenue sharing plan between ABC, NBC and
> themselves and thus the Baseball Network was born.
>
> A major problem with Baseball Night in America (which was the program
> that aired up to fourteen games based on the viewers' region -
> affiliates chose games of local interest to carry- as opposed to a
> traditional coast-to-coast format. Normally, announcers who
> represented each of the teams playing in the respective games were
> paired with each other.) was the idea that viewers couldn't watch
> "important" games.
>
> In addition, Baseball Night in America held exclusivity over every
> market. This most severely impacted markets with two teams,
> specifically New York (Mets and Yankees), Los Angeles/Anaheim, Chicago
> (Cubs and White Sox) and San Francisco/Oakland. For example, if
> Baseball Night in America showed a Chicago Cubs game, this meant that
> nobody in Chicago could see that night's White Sox game and vice
> versa.
>
> Things got so bad for The Baseball Network that even local
> broadcasters objected to its operations. Worse yet, even if a market
> had only one team, the ABC or NBC affiliate could still not broadcast
> that team's game if the start time was not appropriate for the time
> zone. For example, if the Detroit Tigers played a road game in Seattle
> beginning at 8:00 p.m. PT (a late game), Detroit's Baseball Network
> affiliate couldn't air the game because the start time was too late
> for the Detroit area (11:00 p.m. ET). Detroit viewers only had the
> option of viewing the early game of the night.
>
> Sports Illustrated, for one, was very harsh on The Baseball Network,
> for whom SI dubbed "America's regional pastime" and an "abomination."
>
> ABC Sports president Dennis Swanson, in announcing the dissolution of
> The Baseball Network said, "The fact of the matter is, Major League
> Baseball seems incapable at this point in time, of living with any
> longterm relationships, whether its with fans, with players, with the
> political community in Washington, with the advertising community here
> in Manhattan, or with its TV partners."
>
> Five years after The Baseball Network dissolved, NBC Sports
> play-by-play man Bob Costas wrote in his book "Fair Ball: A Fan's Case
> for Baseball" that The Baseball Network was "stupid and an
> abomination." Costas wrote that the agreement involving the World
> Series being the only instance of The Baseball Network broadcasting a
> national telecast was an unprecedented surrender of prestige, as well
> as a slap to all serious fans.
>
> The demise of the Baseball Network was a good thing. What needs to
> happen is that MLB Extra Innings should be on cable as well as
> satellite. ESPN also needs to go back to broadcasting more games than
> it currently does. Of course that involves contract with MLB and
> there may be some exclusivity involved in current contracts with FOX
> and whomever else does the games nowadays.
>
> Regards,
> ////
> (o o)
> -oOO--(_)--OOo-
>
>
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> cologne and they go out and smell each other."
> -- Karl - age 5
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skippy a. smith:

Too bad. Best sport on the planet.

==================================

i wouldn't watch it if it were being played on the small of jessica
alba's back...if the term "best" actually means "most boring," then this
would be one of those rare times that we're in agreement
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:02:15 -0500, JWitzke RemoveThis @webtv.net (John A Witzke)
wrote:

>skippy a. smith:
>
>Too bad. Best sport on the planet.
>
>==================================
>
>i wouldn't watch it if it were being played on the small of jessica
>alba's back...if the term "best" actually means "most boring," then this
>would be one of those rare times that we're in agreement

Basketball boring??????????????? I suppose you think a "watching
paint dry more exciting" sport like soccer is better. And baseball?
Don't get me started. A very exciting game to see in person. But
sitting home on the couch watching it I find so exciting I usually
fall asleep.

Regards,
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cologne and they go out and smell each other."
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"SkippyPB" <swiegand.DeleteThis@Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:02:15 -0500, JWitzke.DeleteThis@webtv.net (John A Witzke)
> wrote:
>
>>skippy a. smith:
>>
>>Too bad. Best sport on the planet.
>>
>>==================================
>>
>>i wouldn't watch it if it were being played on the small of jessica
>>alba's back...if the term "best" actually means "most boring," then this
>>would be one of those rare times that we're in agreement
>
> Basketball boring??????????????? I suppose you think a "watching
> paint dry more exciting" sport like soccer is better. And baseball?
> Don't get me started. A very exciting game to see in person. But
> sitting home on the couch watching it I find so exciting I usually
> fall asleep.
>
>

Not boring but the NBA today is ho hum to watch. They can't shoot anymore,
no real personalities in the NBA, alot of unknowns in the game. No
fundamentals because they play 1 year of college and come out without
learning the game the way they need to.

Dunking in basketball is kind of like HR's in baseball these days, there are
so many, it's mostly not a big deal.

In a perfect world, if all players went and played 4 years in college and
then went to the NBA, it will improve the NBA 5000%. They would learn the
game where they should be learning, in college. You would get to know
players. I know this will never happen but I believe that the whole reason
it sucks now in the NBA is because of all the early entries....
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> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:24:30 -0500, "John Poutre"
> <mehatespam RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"SkippyPB" <swiegand RemoveThis @Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:02:15 -0500, JWitzke RemoveThis @webtv.net (John A Witzke)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>skippy a. smith:
>>>>
>>>>Too bad. Best sport on the planet.
>>>>
>>>>==================================
>>>>
>>>>i wouldn't watch it if it were being played on the small of jessica
>>>>alba's back...if the term "best" actually means "most boring," then this
>>>>would be one of those rare times that we're in agreement
>>>
>>> Basketball boring??????????????? I suppose you think a "watching
>>> paint dry more exciting" sport like soccer is better. And baseball?
>>> Don't get me started. A very exciting game to see in person. But
>>> sitting home on the couch watching it I find so exciting I usually
>>> fall asleep.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Not boring but the NBA today is ho hum to watch. They can't shoot
>>anymore,
>>no real personalities in the NBA, alot of unknowns in the game. No
>>fundamentals because they play 1 year of college and come out without
>>learning the game the way they need to.
>>
>>Dunking in basketball is kind of like HR's in baseball these days, there
>>are
>>so many, it's mostly not a big deal.
>>
>>In a perfect world, if all players went and played 4 years in college and
>>then went to the NBA, it will improve the NBA 5000%. They would learn the
>>game where they should be learning, in college. You would get to know
>>players. I know this will never happen but I believe that the whole
>>reason
>>it sucks now in the NBA is because of all the early entries....
>>
>
>
> Same as baseball. Young players are rushed to the majors because of
> immediate need. They never get a chance to learn the fundamentals at
> the minor league level.
>
> This entire discussion is way OT. I don't really care but it proves
> everyone has their favorite sport. My favorites, in no particular
> order;
>
> baseball
> basketball
> football
>
> And.....I hate hockey.
>
> Just my honest opinion.
>

Yes, the thread has been hijacked..

Ah, there is still time for some off topic stuff, keeps us busy.

I don't think Baseball has the same problem myself, players still spend
plenty of time in the minors. You will always have some that jump quicker
than others.
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:24:30 -0500, "John Poutre"
> <mehatespam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"SkippyPB" <swiegand.TakeThisOut@Nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:jqpdu2hj814js9pu03iup1me05jal8su3q@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:02:15 -0500, JWitzke.TakeThisOut@webtv.net (John A Witzke)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>skippy a. smith:
>>>>
>>>>Too bad. Best sport on the planet.
>>>>
>>>>==================================
>>>>
>>>>i wouldn't watch it if it were being played on the small of jessica
>>>>alba's back...if the term "best" actually means "most boring," then this
>>>>would be one of those rare times that we're in agreement
>>>
>>> Basketball boring??????????????? I suppose you think a "watching
>>> paint dry more exciting" sport like soccer is better. And baseball?
>>> Don't get me started. A very exciting game to see in person. But
>>> sitting home on the couch watching it I find so exciting I usually
>>> fall asleep.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Not boring but the NBA today is ho hum to watch. They can't shoot
>>anymore,
>>no real personalities in the NBA, alot of unknowns in the game. No
>>fundamentals because they play 1 year of college and come out without
>>learning the game the way they need to.
>>
>>Dunking in basketball is kind of like HR's in baseball these days, there
>>are
>>so many, it's mostly not a big deal.
>>
>>In a perfect world, if all players went and played 4 years in college and
>>then went to the NBA, it will improve the NBA 5000%. They would learn the
>>game where they should be learning, in college. You would get to know
>>players. I know this will never happen but I believe that the whole
>>reason
>>it sucks now in the NBA is because of all the early entries....
>>
>
>
> Same as baseball. Young players are rushed to the majors because of
> immediate need. They never get a chance to learn the fundamentals at
> the minor league level.
>
> This entire discussion is way OT.



Not ""OT"" at all, especially if one looks at the header of this thread.
Every spring, there will be TV ""critics"" writing about how baseball
doesn't work on television. I contend that they're just not fans of The
Game.





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I don't really care but it proves
> everyone has their favorite sport. My favorites, in no particular
> order;
>
> baseball
> basketball
> football
>
> And.....I hate hockey.
>
> Just my honest opinion.
>
> Brian
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