Texeira

"david" <dkirby1563.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote
>I think he earned his pacheck today 3 homeruns 5 rbis. we need to get
>francoeur to hit

At what point to we decide that this is about as good as Francoeur is going
to get?

I mean, theoretically he could go the route of guys like Jermaine Dye or
Sammy Sosa and suddenly close up the holes in his swing and discover
patience, but I would guess that most guys who hit like Francoeur do not
pull that off.

Colin
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david wrote:
> I think he earned his pacheck today 3 homeruns 5 rbis. we need to get
> francoeur to hit

Tex is still WAY behind projections of where he should be by now. Not really
earning his overall paycheck.
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>"Sam Hutcheson" <samh.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 3:58 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "david" <dkirby1....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote
>
> >I think he earned his pacheck today 3 homeruns 5 rbis. we need to get
> >francoeur to hit
>
> At what point to we decide that this is about as good as Francoeur is
> going
> to get?

>About two months ago, personally. He could slap a Dye-esque year or
two on the board, but that's the upside right now. He's not going to
do that Sosa thing where he suddenly develops a much better eye.<

Neither Francoeur nor Teixeira is living up to their required production.
Francoeur is obvious, but on the radio this week, I heard Pete VW run down
some of the stats on Teixeira, and it basically added up to Tex being even
hollower than the stats indicate. IIRC, most of his RBIs came in
unimportant situations, or early in the game, or both. Not sure where Pete
got the stats, but Tex is not getting it done IMO. Pitchers are not working
around either one of these guys, just going after their weak spots.
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"Sam Hutcheson" <samh DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote
>>About two months ago, personally. He could slap a Dye-esque year or
two on the board, but that's the upside right now. He's not going to
do that Sosa thing where he suddenly develops a much better eye.<<

I get the feeling his stock is sinking rapidly with the team. One has to
assume Bobby is frustrated as hell with his lack of development.

Colin
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On Jun 23, 4:16 am, Tomasz Radko <t... RemoveThis @interia.pl> wrote:
> Joe Schmoe pisze:
>
> > Neither Francoeur nor Teixeira is living up to their required production.
> > Francoeur is obvious, but on the radio this week, I heard Pete VW run down
> > some of the stats on Teixeira, and it basically added up to Tex being even
> > hollower than the stats indicate.  IIRC, most of his RBIs came in
> > unimportant situations, or early in the game, or both.  Not sure where Pete
> > got the stats,
>
>  From the ceiling.
>
> empty bases  - 246/313/381
> men on       - 281/402/473
> RISP         - 286/441/452
> bases loaded - 571/600/714
>
> 2 outs       - 289/378/505
> 2 outs, RISP - 270/438/459
> late&close   - 350/480/600
> within 1R    - 294/398/451
>  >4R          - 121/231/152
>
> He isn't hitting well in tied games (218/311/346), but the sample size
> isn't big (78 AB).
>
> His career splits are interesting. OPS about 880-900 in late&close,
> ties, within 1R, within 2R, 3R, 4R. And 1.072 in 2 outs, RISP.
>
> Take away June07 and he's on par with his last season production.

A real part of the problem with Tex is over-expectations by Braves
fans (myself included.) Most of us only have his mad production down
the stretch last year as real-memory benchmarks. We were stupidly
expecting him to just do that for a whole season this year, rather
than looking at what Tex has actually done over the course of his
career and projecting that. He's having a bit of a down year, but
he's not terribly off of career norms and he's always been a second
half hitter for some reason.

s/
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On Jun 22, 9:58 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Sam Hutcheson" <s....TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote>>About two months ago, personally.  He could slap a Dye-esque year or
>
> two on the board, but that's the upside right now.  He's not going to
> do that Sosa thing where he suddenly develops a much better eye.<<
>
> I get the feeling his stock is sinking rapidly with the team. One has to
> assume Bobby is frustrated as hell with his lack of development.

Maybe. Maybe not. How far removed from Brian Jordan is Frenchfry?
How much did the Braves love them some Brian Jordan?

s/
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Joe Schmoe pisze:

> Neither Francoeur nor Teixeira is living up to their required production.
> Francoeur is obvious, but on the radio this week, I heard Pete VW run down
> some of the stats on Teixeira, and it basically added up to Tex being even
> hollower than the stats indicate. IIRC, most of his RBIs came in
> unimportant situations, or early in the game, or both. Not sure where Pete
> got the stats,

From the ceiling.

empty bases - 246/313/381
men on - 281/402/473
RISP - 286/441/452
bases loaded - 571/600/714

2 outs - 289/378/505
2 outs, RISP - 270/438/459
late&close - 350/480/600
within 1R - 294/398/451
>4R - 121/231/152

He isn't hitting well in tied games (218/311/346), but the sample size
isn't big (78 AB).

His career splits are interesting. OPS about 880-900 in late&close,
ties, within 1R, within 2R, 3R, 4R. And 1.072 in 2 outs, RISP.

Take away June07 and he's on par with his last season production.

pzdr

TRad
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>"Tomasz Radko" <trad DeleteThis @interia.pl> wrote in message
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> Joe Schmoe pisze:
>
>> Neither Francoeur nor Teixeira is living up to their required production.
>> Francoeur is obvious, but on the radio this week, I heard Pete VW run
>> down some of the stats on Teixeira, and it basically added up to Tex
>> being even hollower than the stats indicate. IIRC, most of his RBIs came
>> in unimportant situations, or early in the game, or both. Not sure where
>> Pete got the stats,
>
> From the ceiling.
>
> empty bases - 246/313/381
> men on - 281/402/473
> RISP - 286/441/452
> bases loaded - 571/600/714
>
> 2 outs - 289/378/505
> 2 outs, RISP - 270/438/459
> late&close - 350/480/600
> within 1R - 294/398/451
> >4R - 121/231/152
>
> He isn't hitting well in tied games (218/311/346), but the sample size
> isn't big (78 AB).
>
> His career splits are interesting. OPS about 880-900 in late&close, ties,
> within 1R, within 2R, 3R, 4R. And 1.072 in 2 outs, RISP.
>
> Take away June07 and he's on par with his last season production.
>
> pzdr
>
> TRad

I believe Pete was reviewing just the RBIs.
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Colin William wrote:

> I dunno, you are right, there is a lot of similarity there. Although,
> Frenchy's supposed to be getting better with age right now, not worse.
> Still, having a couple of 100+ RBI years likely obscures a lot of his
> empty value,a nd that 29 HR year still may ring in memory. He'll likely
> get forgiven for a bad year this year with the expectation of a rebound,
> but if he doesn't hit next year he'll start to face trouble.

They will certainly hold on to him until he goes free agent. As long
as he's price controlled they'll take their chances. I don't know
that they'll allow themselves to get into a bidding war with some
other team willing to take more of a monetary chance on him. It
really comes down to whether or not they think he's Jermaine Dye or
Andruw Jones. Considering that he's not a Gold Glove centerfielder
and isn't going to become one any time soon, I'm betting it's more
Dye. The Kid can only get by so long on charisma and that magic debut
half season. My bet is that "so long" will equal almost exactly
"until the Braves no longer control his contract."

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Joe Schmoe pisze:

>> empty bases - 246/313/381
>> men on - 281/402/473
>> RISP - 286/441/452
>> bases loaded - 571/600/714
>>
>> 2 outs - 289/378/505
>> 2 outs, RISP - 270/438/459
>> late&close - 350/480/600
>> within 1R - 294/398/451
>>> 4R - 121/231/152
>> He isn't hitting well in tied games (218/311/346), but the sample size
>> isn't big (78 AB).
>>
>> His career splits are interesting. OPS about 880-900 in late&close, ties,
>> within 1R, within 2R, 3R, 4R. And 1.072 in 2 outs, RISP.
>>
>> Take away June07 and he's on par with his last season production.
>>
>> pzdr
>>
>> TRad
>
> I believe Pete was reviewing just the RBIs.

O mein lieber Gott! The defense rests the case.

pzdr

TRad
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Sam Hutcheson wrote:
>>I get the feeling his stock is sinking rapidly with the team. One has to
>>assume Bobby is frustrated as hell with his lack of development.
>
> Maybe. Maybe not. How far removed from Brian Jordan is Frenchfry?
> How much did the Braves love them some Brian Jordan?

well, that's true, but once you get past Francoeur's first month in the
majors, I'm not sure he's even been Brian-Jordan good. Frenchy's lines:
2005: 300/336/549
2006: 260/293/449
2007: 293/338/444
2008: 246/300/402

Brian Jordan in his first tour with ATL:
1999: 283/346/465
2000: 264/320/421
2001: 295/334/496

I dunno, you are right, there is a lot of similarity there. Although,
Frenchy's supposed to be getting better with age right now, not worse.
Still, having a couple of 100+ RBI years likely obscures a lot of his
empty value,a nd that 29 HR year still may ring in memory. He'll likely
get forgiven for a bad year this year with the expectation of a rebound,
but if he doesn't hit next year he'll start to face trouble.

Colin
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