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On May 26, 4:59 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Joe Schmoe" <mcho....DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote
>
> > I have been wondering the same thing. The press seems to be granting him
> > the "slow starter" acceptance, but I don't see why that is so acceptable.
> > Games in Spring count too, last time I checked.
>
> I'll grant "slow starter up to a point, but it's May 26 now and about we
> acknowledged this is no longer the start of the season.

The "slow starter" talking point is beginning to remind me of the
"Reggie Sanders plays better in hot weather" bit. With that said, Tex
is heating up a little of late, no?

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On May 26, 6:49 pm, t....TakeThisOut@toast.net wrote:

> >The "slow starter" talking point is beginning to remind me of the
> >"Reggie Sanders plays better in hot weather" bit. With that said, Tex
> >is heating up a little of late, no?
>
> Well, it seems if his so-far performance continues, there's no need to
> spend big $$$ in re-signing him...we saved big $$ by letting Andruw as well
> as Drew and Shefield go...with, IMO, no ill-effects.

The Braves have made rational, non-emotional personnel decisions for
years and they've been quite effective doing so. If Tex comes in over
their budget, they'll let him walk.

> Too bad baseball management cannot tell the union, performance contracts
> only. Eg..Andruw..your salary is $100K (more than most of us make) and if
> you hit over 300 with 30+ home runs, it is $10m or some such number.

Not sure why we need to implement hard socialism into the equation.
Baseball isn't exactly a primary need left unfulfilled by the market.
These players make exactly what the entertainment industry they work
for contracted to pay them. I see little wrong with that. Teams that
continually sink money into bad contracts, like any business, deserve
to reap the whirlwinds generated by their poor management decisions.

> The present system sucks and, IMO, will eventually change drastically.
> Pay must be based on performance lately (meaning this year); otherwise a
> modest income is the maximum.

Are you this socialist in all of your beliefs?

> If the player does not like it, then get a job driving for Budweiser!

Entertainers are paid for their drawing power, Ray. Are you similarly
up in arms that Jim Carrey makes $20 mil per movie?

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"Joe Schmoe" <mchome5 DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote
> I have been wondering the same thing. The press seems to be granting him
> the "slow starter" acceptance, but I don't see why that is so acceptable.
> Games in Spring count too, last time I checked.

I'll grant "slow starter up to a point, but it's May 26 now and about we
acknowledged this is no longer the start of the season.

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tcol DeleteThis @toast.net wrote:
> Too bad baseball management cannot tell the union, performance contracts
> only. Eg..Andruw..your salary is $100K (more than most of us make) and if
> you hit over 300 with 30+ home runs, it is $10m or some such number.

Good luck on getting guys to do things like sacrifice, move runners by
hitting the other way, and other such team-oriented things that are not
conducive to improving one's own numbers.

Do you also whine when an owner pays very little for a guy who produces
huge numbers?

As Sam said, it's an entertainment business, and guys are paid based on
expected returns (at least once they've played enough years). The
smarter teams are right more often than not, and should be rewarded
accordingly. Same goes with movie producers, TV executives, record
producers, etc.

I also don't see what "most of us make" has anything to do with it. As
Colin said, both sides make far more than "most of us make." Such is
the nature of such a hugely successful business, in which the employees
possess unique and valuable skills.

Sounds like you might be a little jealous.

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"Sam Hutcheson" <samh.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote
> The "slow starter" talking point is beginning to remind me of the
> "Reggie Sanders plays better in hot weather" bit.

I'd been thinking of the same example.

> With that said, Tex
> is heating up a little of late, no?

Nice day today to break an 0-fer; still, even with three straight hitless
games going into today he was hitting .400 over his last ten games. Hitting
a few doubles too, but still no homers over the last two weeks.

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<tcol.TakeThisOut@toast.net> wrote
> The present system sucks and, IMO, will eventually change drastically.

The owners and players would disagree. Both groups are making gobs of money.

Colin
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"Sam Hutcheson" <samh.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On May 26, 4:59 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Joe Schmoe" <mcho....DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>
>> > I have been wondering the same thing. The press seems to be granting
>> > him
>> > the "slow starter" acceptance, but I don't see why that is so
>> > acceptable.
>> > Games in Spring count too, last time I checked.
>>
>> I'll grant "slow starter up to a point, but it's May 26 now and about we
>> acknowledged this is no longer the start of the season.
>
> The "slow starter" talking point is beginning to remind me of the
> "Reggie Sanders plays better in hot weather" bit. With that said, Tex
> is heating up a little of late, no?
>
> s/

He has been hitting better lately, yes, so maybe he'll start producing some
power numbers like we saw from him last year. He also plays very good
defense at first, as good as anyone I can remember on the Braves.
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In article <6a0uf1F343b0fU1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
colintwilliam RemoveThis @hotmail.com says...
>
> "Sam Hutcheson" <samh RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote
> > The "slow starter" talking point is beginning to remind me of the
> > "Reggie Sanders plays better in hot weather" bit.
>
> I'd been thinking of the same example.
>
> > With that said, Tex
> > is heating up a little of late, no?
>
> Nice day today to break an 0-fer; still, even with three straight hitless
> games going into today he was hitting .400 over his last ten games. Hitting
> a few doubles too, but still no homers over the last two weeks.

I'm thinking he'll do better. Right, Tom?

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On May 26, 7:32 pm, Sam Hutcheson <s... RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On May 26, 6:49 pm, t... RemoveThis @toast.net wrote:
>
> > >The "slow starter" talking point is beginning to remind me of the
> > >"Reggie Sanders plays better in hot weather" bit. With that said, Tex
> > >is heating up a little of late, no?
>
> > Well, it seems if his so-far performance continues, there's no need to
> > spend big $$$ in re-signing him...we saved big $$ by letting Andruw as well
> > as Drew and Shefield go...with, IMO, no ill-effects.
>
> The Braves have made rational, non-emotional personnel decisions for
> years and they've been quite effective doing so. If Tex comes in over
> their budget, they'll let him walk.
>
> > Too bad baseball management cannot tell the union, performance contracts
> > only. Eg..Andruw..your salary is $100K (more than most of us make) and if
> > you hit over 300 with 30+ home runs, it is $10m or some such number.
>
> Not sure why we need to implement hard socialism into the equation.
> Baseball isn't exactly a primary need left unfulfilled by the market.
> These players make exactly what the entertainment industry they work
> for contracted to pay them. I see little wrong with that. Teams that
> continually sink money into bad contracts, like any business, deserve
> to reap the whirlwinds generated by their poor management decisions.
>
> > The present system sucks and, IMO, will eventually change drastically.
> > Pay must be based on performance lately (meaning this year); otherwise a
> > modest income is the maximum.
>
> Are you this socialist in all of your beliefs?
>
> > If the player does not like it, then get a job driving for Budweiser!
>
> Entertainers are paid for their drawing power, Ray. Are you similarly
> up in arms that Jim Carrey makes $20 mil per movie?

Couldn't have said it better myself. Why are people so afraid that
millionaires are getting rich at the expense of billionaires? I'm not
opposed to incentives in contracts but it can't be a one size fits all
solution. You can't pay the same thing for a HR in San Diego as you
do in Colorado. Let the owners and players freely negotiate the
contracts that both sides are willing to agree to.

Shining the Light,
Marty Winn
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On 27 May, 09:58, Tomasz Radko <t....DeleteThis@interia.pl> wrote:
> Marty Winn pisze:
>
> > do in Colorado.  Let the owners and players freely negotiate the
> > contracts that both sides are willing to agree to.
>
> Exactly. And now they can't do this.

Please give us an example of a contract that some combination of owner
and player did not freely negotiate, Tomasz.

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Marty Winn wrote:
> Couldn't have said it better myself. Why are people so afraid that
> millionaires are getting rich at the expense of billionaires?

I wouldn't even say "at the expense of". The millionaires are getting
rich and helping the billionaires get even richer. Everybody wins. MLB
is doing so well right now that even Selig can't complain about the
economics.

Colin
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Marty Winn wrote:
> Couldn't have said it better myself. Why are people so afraid that
> millionaires are getting rich at the expense of billionaires?

Jealousy. The fact that early on he brought up his own pay suggests
that he's jealous of what these guys make. What does anyone's pay have
to do with billionaires negotiating contracts with millionaires?

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