All Star Game---Don's gradeless thoughts !!!

DonFromBarre.TakeThisOut@webtv.net wrote:
> Ichiro is likely to have a great week
> isn't he, between making All Star history, the prize that came with the
> MVP award, and his likely 5 year near $100 million contract later this
> week.

I know it has more to do with than just baseball, but am I the only one
that thinks that is an insane amount of money for Ichiro?
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On Jul 11, 9:46 am, DonFromBa... DeleteThis @webtv.net wrote:
> The Sox players that got into the game pretty much represented the Sox
> season so far. Great pitching. Not much hitting. But just enough to make
> the differnce. (If Lowell doesn't get on base the game gets tied in the
> 9th.) Beckett getting the win was nice but was as much from good timing
> as his good pitching. Despite him warming up Okajima not getting in the
> game didn't surprise me. I figured by nature of how he got there he'd
> be one of the last to pitch. Ichiro is likely to have a great week
> isn't he, between making All Star history, the prize that came with the
> MVP award, and his likely 5 year near $100 million contract later this
> week. I was almost thankful for Putz putsing out. It made the end of
> a fairly boring game more interesting.
>

Team grades by me.

Red Sox "+" for 3 scorless innings, and Lowell's hit and the following
run.
Mariners "+" Robbed of the Star by Putz. Ichiro had that locked up for
them.
Yankees "-" Their 3-9 didn't save the fact that they did nothing to
help us win, and I really just wanted to give them a minus. That and
the third base spinny ball arod cant field it play.
Indians "+" For the HR that gave us the winning run.

And just for the hell of it...

Cardinals "-" for the manager not playing his own damn allstar. Yeah
yeah yeah, I understand "saving a hitter" but hes ALBERT PUJOLS and
HES YOUR PLAYER!
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smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
> DonFromBarre RemoveThis @webtv.net wrote:

>> Ichiro is likely to have a great week
>> isn't he, between making All Star history, the prize that
>> came with the MVP award, and his likely 5 year near $100
>> million contract later this week.

> I know it has more to do with than just baseball, but am I
> the only one that thinks that is an insane amount of money
> for Ichiro?

Before I look at Suzuki's numbers, I'd side with you -- people
talk about Manny Ramirez's being overpaid, but I'd bet that
Ramirez has been more valuable over the past five years than
Suzuki. And Suzuki's not likely to be better than he has been
over the past five years.

*looks at the numbers*

I dunno. I still wouldn't do it -- I think to expect him to
remain as healthy and consistently good as he has been from
age 34 to 39 is crazy -- but if Gil Meche is worth $55 million
for 5 years, is it really insane to think that Suzuki is worth
$100 million for the same time period? I dunno. Like I say,
I wouldn't do it.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

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On Jul 11, 6:21 pm, "Bob-Nob" <bobno... RemoveThis @SPaMol.com> wrote:
> smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
> > I know it has more to do with than just baseball, but am I
> > the only one that thinks that is an insane amount of money
> > for Ichiro?
>
> ...people talk about Manny Ramirez's being overpaid, but I'd bet that
> Ramirez has been more valuable over the past five years than
> Suzuki. And Suzuki's not likely to be better than he has been
> over the past five years.
>
> *looks at the numbers*
>
> I dunno. I still wouldn't do it -- I think to expect him to
> remain as healthy and consistently good as he has been from
> age 34 to 39 is crazy -- but if Gil Meche is worth $55 million
> for 5 years, is it really insane to think that Suzuki is worth
> $100 million for the same time period? I dunno. Like I say,
> I wouldn't do it.

Well, from a strict "production on the baseball field" point-of-view,
it's almost certainly a bad decision. We do have to remember,
however, that the business of the Seattle Mariners is not winning
baseball games - it's selling entertainment. And there's a lot more
that goes into that. He's the "face of the franchise," which they
obviously believe is worth paying for over and above his on-field
contribution. They've got marketing ties to Japan, Japanese
ownership, and he's the reason. They're not paying for a baseball
player, they're paying for an icon, and getting a baseball player,
too.

Whether it actually makes sense or not, well, I haven't seen their
books, and I don't know the answer. The money's just money, and if
what they bring him due to him is more than he costs, it makes sense
to do it. I don't know what they're farm system looks like - the
opportunity cost of him being signed for the next five years is high
if they've got three better outfielders, but if they don't, then
again, we're just talking about money. It's unlikely, at least for
the next couple of years, that Seattle would have better outfielders,
so if the finances work, the deal works.

Sometimes a deal makes sense for one team while it wouldn't for
another. I thought that the deal Pedro signed after 2004 wouldn't
have made sense for Boston, but was at least close to making sense for
the Mets. This might be another situation, where no one else in
baseball could make this deal and have it work out well, but the
Mariners can.
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"smacdo" <fake.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> DonFromBarre.TakeThisOut@webtv.net wrote:
>> Ichiro is likely to have a great week
>> isn't he, between making All Star history, the prize that came with the
>> MVP award, and his likely 5 year near $100 million contract later this
>> week.
>
> I know it has more to do with than just baseball, but am I the only one
> that thinks that is an insane amount of money for Ichiro?


No, you're not.

I think that it's a ridiculous amount of money for a 34year old singles
hitter whose game, both offense and defense, is entirely predicated on
his exceptional speed. And while its true that some players can maintain
their speed up to their 40's, it seems like a considerable risk to give such
a large and long contract to a player who will possibly lose the primary
physical attribute that makes him special.
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"Bob-Nob" <bobnob15 DeleteThis @SPaMol.com> wrote in message
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> smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> DonFromBarre DeleteThis @webtv.net wrote:
>
>>> Ichiro is likely to have a great week
>>> isn't he, between making All Star history, the prize that
>>> came with the MVP award, and his likely 5 year near $100
>>> million contract later this week.
>
>> I know it has more to do with than just baseball, but am I
>> the only one that thinks that is an insane amount of money
>> for Ichiro?
>
> Before I look at Suzuki's numbers, I'd side with you -- people
> talk about Manny Ramirez's being overpaid, but I'd bet that
> Ramirez has been more valuable over the past five years than
> Suzuki. And Suzuki's not likely to be better than he has been
> over the past five years.
>
> *looks at the numbers*
>
> I dunno. I still wouldn't do it -- I think to expect him to
> remain as healthy and consistently good as he has been from
> age 34 to 39 is crazy -- but if Gil Meche is worth $55 million
> for 5 years, is it really insane to think that Suzuki is worth
> $100 million for the same time period? I dunno. Like I say,
> I wouldn't do it.


And even if he remains healthy, that's not a rock solid guarantee
that he won't start slowing down. And if that happens, his overall
ability to remain the player that he's been in the past will
drop dramatically.
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"Lyford" <LyfordIII.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 11, 6:21 pm, "Bob-Nob" <bobno....DeleteThis@SPaMol.com> wrote:
>> smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>>
>> > I know it has more to do with than just baseball, but am I
>> > the only one that thinks that is an insane amount of money
>> > for Ichiro?
>>
>> ...people talk about Manny Ramirez's being overpaid, but I'd bet that
>> Ramirez has been more valuable over the past five years than
>> Suzuki. And Suzuki's not likely to be better than he has been
>> over the past five years.
>>
>> *looks at the numbers*
>>
>> I dunno. I still wouldn't do it -- I think to expect him to
>> remain as healthy and consistently good as he has been from
>> age 34 to 39 is crazy -- but if Gil Meche is worth $55 million
>> for 5 years, is it really insane to think that Suzuki is worth
>> $100 million for the same time period? I dunno. Like I say,
>> I wouldn't do it.
>
> Well, from a strict "production on the baseball field" point-of-view,
> it's almost certainly a bad decision. We do have to remember,
> however, that the business of the Seattle Mariners is not winning
> baseball games - it's selling entertainment. And there's a lot more
> that goes into that. He's the "face of the franchise," which they
> obviously believe is worth paying for over and above his on-field
> contribution. They've got marketing ties to Japan, Japanese
> ownership, and he's the reason. They're not paying for a baseball
> player, they're paying for an icon, and getting a baseball player,
> too.

I agree with this view of the signing. I think that this is almost exactly
why they re-signed him.
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:19:09 -0000, The Lorax
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>
>Cardinals "-" for the manager not playing his own damn allstar. Yeah
>yeah yeah, I understand "saving a hitter" but hes ALBERT PUJOLS and
>HES YOUR PLAYER!

Pujols has been injured. LaRussa just didn't want to play him and used
the versatility stuff as a smokescreen.
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