Smoltz having surgery, season is over

bgs wrote:
> I think some reassurance that he's in the Hall (which I think he is now) and
> he hangs it up.

We can argue till the cows come home ($1 to Elvin Bishop) whether or not
he deserves it, but much of the media seems like it's a foregone
conclusion at this point. While watching ESPN this morning, Stephen A.
Smith matter of factly called him a Hall of Famer, and Skip Bayless
one-upped him by calling him a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.

Now I'm not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think they probably
generally represent the sports media. Looks like the Big 3 probably all
get in. As Maddux is wont to say, "that's cool."

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 >> Stay informed about: Smoltz having surgery, season is over 

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT), Sam Hutcheson
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>On 4 Jun, 11:40, Colin William <colintwill... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Stapler wrote:
>> > Joe Schmoe wrote:

>> >>And most likely his career, IMO.

>> > Yup.

>> I heard from a friend that he said on the radio today he wants to come
>> back in 2009. If true, wow.

>Mike Hampton has wanted to come back for the last three years. Smoltz
>is 41, is having another surgery and will have a massive recovery
>effort just to get back to normal usage, much less throwing a baseball
>95 MPH. I'd say 70/30 he's done.

And keep in mind that shoulders are different from elbows. The
sawboneses have shown an ability to fix elbows, sometimes better than
new. But shoulders are a different thing entirely. I had
reconstructive shoulder surgery in the spring of 1992, and I've come
to the conclusion that it will never be right.

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Tarkus wrote:
>> bgs wrote:
>>> I think some reassurance that he's in the Hall (which I think he is
>>> now) and he hangs it up.
>>
>> We can argue till the cows come home ($1 to Elvin Bishop) whether or
>> not he deserves it, but much of the media seems like it's a foregone
>> conclusion at this point. While watching ESPN this morning, Stephen
>> A. Smith matter of factly called him a Hall of Famer, and Skip
>> Bayless one-upped him by calling him a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
>>
>> Now I'm not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think they
>> probably generally represent the sports media. Looks like the Big 3
>> probably all get in. As Maddux is wont to say, "that's cool."
>>
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>> "I can't tell you how many guys, who had never played for Bobby
>> (Cox), came up to me and said, 'Man, I want to play for that guy.'"
>> - Tom Glavine

But are you suggesting it's not as clear cut in your mind?

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bgs wrote:
> Tarkus wrote:
>>> bgs wrote:
>>>> I think some reassurance that he's in the Hall (which I think he is
>>>> now) and he hangs it up.
>>> We can argue till the cows come home ($1 to Elvin Bishop) whether or
>>> not he deserves it, but much of the media seems like it's a foregone
>>> conclusion at this point. While watching ESPN this morning, Stephen
>>> A. Smith matter of factly called him a Hall of Famer, and Skip
>>> Bayless one-upped him by calling him a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think they
>>> probably generally represent the sports media. Looks like the Big 3
>>> probably all get in. As Maddux is wont to say, "that's cool."
>
> But are you suggesting it's not as clear cut in your mind?

No, I think he's in too, though not necessarily on the first ballot
(especially if that ballot includes Maddux, Glavine and Martinez).

I'm more conservative on the HOF than most, but as long as they're
letting people in who I don't think deserve it, I'll root for every
Brave possible to make it. Mark Lemke? You go, boy! Bruce Benedict?
Careful carrying that HOF trophy! Dale Murphy? I hope it doesn't
embarrass you when they name the HOF after you!

In short, while I find "that's cool" when a Brave is elected, I really
don't take the HOF (any of them) all that seriously. I'm sure the
players do, though, and since Smoltz is one of my all-time favorites,
I'd be very happy for him. He's such a class act, just watching him
today in his press conference made me proud to be a Braves fan. He's
pretty much the exact opposite of the stereotypical spoiled pro athlete.

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On Jun 5, 12:09 am, Tarkus <karnev... RemoveThis @atlantabraves.net> wrote:
> bgs wrote:
> > Tarkus wrote:
> >>> bgs wrote:
> >>>> I think some reassurance that he's in the Hall (which I think he is
> >>>> now) and he hangs it up.
> >>> We can argue till the cows come home ($1 to Elvin Bishop) whether or
> >>> not he deserves it, but much of the media seems like it's a foregone
> >>> conclusion at this point. While watching ESPN this morning, Stephen
> >>> A. Smith matter of factly called him a Hall of Famer, and Skip
> >>> Bayless one-upped him by calling him a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
>
> >>> Now I'm not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think they
> >>> probably generally represent the sports media. Looks like the Big 3
> >>> probably all get in. As Maddux is wont to say, "that's cool."
>
> > But are you suggesting it's not as clear cut in your mind?
>
> No, I think he's in too, though not necessarily on the first ballot
> (especially if that ballot includes Maddux, Glavine and Martinez).

Don't forget Randy Johnson. It's not unlikely that this is his last
year too.

Jon
 >> Stay informed about: Smoltz having surgery, season is over 

On Jun 5, 12:09 am, Tarkus <karnev... DeleteThis @atlantabraves.net> wrote:
> bgs wrote:
> > Tarkus wrote:
> >>> bgs wrote:
> >>>> I think some reassurance that he's in the Hall (which I think he is
> >>>> now) and he hangs it up.
> >>> We can argue till the cows come home ($1 to Elvin Bishop) whether or
> >>> not he deserves it, but much of the media seems like it's a foregone
> >>> conclusion at this point.  While watching ESPN this morning, Stephen
> >>> A. Smith matter of factly called him a Hall of Famer, and Skip
> >>> Bayless one-upped him by calling him a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
>
> >>> Now I'm not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think they
> >>> probably generally represent the sports media.  Looks like the Big 3
> >>> probably all get in.  As Maddux is wont to say, "that's cool."
>
> > But are you suggesting it's not as clear cut in your mind?
>
> No, I think he's in too, though not necessarily on the first ballot
> (especially if that ballot includes Maddux, Glavine and Martinez).
>
> I'm more conservative on the HOF than most, but as long as they're
> letting people in who I don't think deserve it, I'll root for every
> Brave possible to make it.  Mark Lemke?  You go, boy!  Bruce Benedict?
> Careful carrying that HOF trophy!  Dale Murphy?  I hope it doesn't
> embarrass you when they name the HOF after you!
>
> In short, while I find "that's cool" when a Brave is elected, I really
> don't take the HOF (any of them) all that seriously.  I'm sure the
> players do, though, and since Smoltz is one of my all-time favorites,
> I'd be very happy for him.  He's such a class act, just watching him
> today in his press conference made me proud to be a Braves fan.  He's
> pretty much the exact opposite of the stereotypical spoiled pro athlete.

I'm with Terry on this. I think the HOF is essentially a joke at this
point. I don't like the logic of "if this guy is in then this guy
surely deserves it too" but any Hall that includes Scooter Rizzuto and
anyone who ever shared the bowl of greenies with Joe Morgan hsa not
reasonable floor by which to deny John Smoltz.

s/
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"Jon Richardson" <jonrichardson DeleteThis @rogers.com> wrote
>> No, I think he's in too, though not necessarily on the first ballot
>> (especially if that ballot includes Maddux, Glavine and Martinez).
>
> Don't forget Randy Johnson. It's not unlikely that this is his last
> year too.

Indeed, I forgot about RJ. And if Schilling doesn't pitch this year, then
he'd be on the ballot the preceding year with Clemens. There's a decent
chance neither of them would be elected first ballot - Schilling's not a
first-ballot lock, and Clemens has scandal baggage. And chances are Kevin
Brown's not Hall-bound. So assuming all that, there's a very small chance
that one ballot could feature:
Maddux
Glavine
Smoltz
Clemens
Martinez
Johnson
Schilling
Brown

All you need is a career-ending injury to Mussina this year and you sweep
the most dominant pitchers of our time.

Colin
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Tarkus wrote:
>> bgs wrote:
>>> Tarkus wrote:
>>>>> bgs wrote:
>>>>>> I think some reassurance that he's in the Hall (which I think he
>>>>>> is now) and he hangs it up.
>>>>> We can argue till the cows come home ($1 to Elvin Bishop) whether
>>>>> or not he deserves it, but much of the media seems like it's a
>>>>> foregone conclusion at this point. While watching ESPN this
>>>>> morning, Stephen A. Smith matter of factly called him a Hall of
>>>>> Famer, and Skip Bayless one-upped him by calling him a 1st Ballot
>>>>> Hall of Famer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm not a big fan of either of these guys, but I think they
>>>>> probably generally represent the sports media. Looks like the
>>>>> Big 3 probably all get in. As Maddux is wont to say, "that's
>>>>> cool."
>>>
>>> But are you suggesting it's not as clear cut in your mind?
>>
>> No, I think he's in too, though not necessarily on the first ballot
>> (especially if that ballot includes Maddux, Glavine and Martinez).
>>
>> I'm more conservative on the HOF than most, but as long as they're
>> letting people in who I don't think deserve it, I'll root for every
>> Brave possible to make it. Mark Lemke? You go, boy! Bruce
>> Benedict? Careful carrying that HOF trophy! Dale Murphy? I hope it
>> doesn't embarrass you when they name the HOF after you!
>>
>> In short, while I find "that's cool" when a Brave is elected, I
>> really don't take the HOF (any of them) all that seriously. I'm
>> sure the players do, though, and since Smoltz is one of my all-time
>> favorites, I'd be very happy for him. He's such a class act, just
>> watching him today in his press conference made me proud to be a
>> Braves fan. He's pretty much the exact opposite of the
>> stereotypical spoiled pro athlete.
>>
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Yeah, I agree with all of this. Smoltz is a class act and perhaps our family
favorite (including mother-in-law) since his first season.

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