Sleepy Sox

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:02:14 -0700, "thomas hagen"
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>> The Sox looked sleepy and tired against the Other Sox tonight.
>I think they might have had a highpaid magician on the mound.
While Dice-k was tough what you got Friday was a good dose of vintage
Vasquez. He had a few strike outs, made a bunch of mistakes over the
middle of the plate (most of which he got away with), couldn't pitch
over mistakes by his fielders, and was firmly planted on the bench by
the sixth inning.There is a reason a guy with 4 or 5 pitches is with
his 5th orginazation. You saw them all Friday.
Center field play defensivly is Abysmal. Griffey can't cover the
ground anymore, Swisher is not a center fielder (nor much of a hitter
as far as I can see) and Anderson can't be all that great because he
can't unseat the other 2
The Twins win because they are strong defensivley up the middle and if
we want to win we better get that way (the reason we won in 2005 is we
were strong up the middle)
Thanks I feel better
Jim
As I write this I have been watching the White Sox Centerfielder and
right fielder play 2 fly balls into ground rule doubles ( and we were
lucky with that) later in the game I saw the Red sox outfielders make
plays on the same type of fly balls What's wrong with this picture?
Jim


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>> Meanwhile the Twins are pounding the A's. Unless the A's make a
>> heroic comeback, the Sox lead will be 1/2 game.
>I look forward to the nationally live broadcast (ota) in HD.
>
>> Tomorrow the Sox face a rookie in his first start in MLB. IIRC that
>> usually means a loss for the Sox.
>Let's not get ourselves too far behind in the wild card race.
>I certainly don't want Boston to run away with it since they'll never catch
>TB.
>Just one game at a time. This series isn't quite yet over........
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"mercutio" <jim.TakeThisOut@witsend.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:02:14 -0700, "thomas hagen"
> <hagenthomas.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>"DrCrawdad" <drcrawdad.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> The Sox looked sleepy and tired against the Other Sox tonight.
>>I think they might have had a highpaid magician on the mound.
> While Dice-k was tough what you got Friday was a good dose of vintage
> Vasquez. He had a few strike outs, made a bunch of mistakes over the
> middle of the plate (most of which he got away with), couldn't pitch
> over mistakes by his fielders, and was firmly planted on the bench by
> the sixth inning.There is a reason a guy with 4 or 5 pitches is with
> his 5th orginazation. You saw them all Friday.

Your criticism sounds more like condemnation.
It's hard for any opposing pitcher to do well in Boston.
How about the hitters?
We've witnessed foibles of Damaso Marte, but he came through as I one day
hope that Dotel might.
When you play in Boston you have got to expect the worst.
I can live with any amount of losses, but I'll hope for any win to be had.

> Center field play defensivly is Abysmal. Griffey can't cover the
> ground anymore,

I think that there's a good chance that he'll make a few more unbelievable
plays.
I like to believe that he's in the same "book" with the coaches and managers
and he's getting ready.

Swisher is not a center fielder (nor much of a hitter
> as far as I can see) and Anderson can't be all that great because he
> can't unseat the other 2.

I agree that Swisher isn't much for center and Anderson is not much better.
There's a choke syndrome at that position but maybe Ken can fix it.

> The Twins win because they are strong defensivley up the middle and if
> we want to win we better get that way (the reason we won in 2005 is we
> were strong up the middle).

The infield has been fairly solid. Bad bounces and all, simply seem to
happen. I've few complaints.
What could Jermaine do yesterday as the ball bounced (spun) into the right
field bleachers?
The announcer from Boston sounded overly critical of Dye, but what can you
do?
Let's face it. Home field advantage makes a lot of teams upset.
It's terrible that we gave last monday's game away.

> Thanks I feel better
and so do I.
It's time to beat the Red Sox on their turf. Take no prisoners and head
westward towards Ohio.

> Jim



> As I write this I have been watching the White Sox Centerfielder and
> right fielder play 2 fly balls into ground rule doubles ( and we were
> lucky with that) later in the game I saw the Red sox outfielders make
> plays on the same type of fly balls What's wrong with this picture?
> Jim



>>> Meanwhile the Twins are pounding the A's. Unless the A's make a
>>> heroic comeback, the Sox lead will be 1/2 game.

And the Twins lead might be half a game (I haven't yet checked the
scores )....

>>I look forward to the nationally live broadcast (ota) in HD.
>>
>>> Tomorrow the Sox face a rookie in his first start in MLB. IIRC that
>>> usually means a loss for the Sox.

I'd say that this was right. He did five innings and he did not look very
good.
He got away with it...... but maybe next time?

>>Let's not get ourselves too far behind in the wild card race.
>>I certainly don't want Boston to run away with it since they'll never
>>catch
>>TB.
>>Just one game at a time. This series isn't quite yet over........
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:04:14 -0700, "thomas hagen"
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>"mercutio" <jim DeleteThis @witsend.com> wrote in message
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>Your criticism sounds more like condemnation.

Not a condemnation as much as a simple statement of fact. Vasquez (as
I have said more than few times here) is a .500 pitcher with an ERA
in the mid to high 4's up to 5 That's what he has been all his career
why should he be any better now.Last year was the career year and not
the norm for Javier. What you will see the rest of this year and the
next 2 that he is under contract is more of what you have seen since
he came to us (minus the 2007 year)
>It's hard for any opposing pitcher to do well in Boston.
>How about the hitters?
>We've witnessed foibles of Damaso Marte, but he came through as I one day
>hope that Dotel might.
Marte showed that he could be successful in his early years with us
then went thru a bad strech, had we stayed with him as we stayed with
Contreras we wouldn't Thorton and Boone Logan coming in and failing
repeatedly.
I don't know much about Dotel except that he is incredibly
inconsistant.What I have seen he is either very very good or very very
bad. My guess is that is why he was a free agent for us to sign. As in
Vasquez' case i think it is a what you see is what you get type of
thing. He has been around awhile and has been this way. To expect him
to change just because he put on a White Sox uniform is unrealistic on
your part


>When you play in Boston you have got to expect the worst.
>I can live with any amount of losses, but I'll hope for any win to be had.
>
>> Center field play defensivly is Abysmal. Griffey can't cover the
>> ground anymore,
>
>I think that there's a good chance that he'll make a few more unbelievable
>plays.

Just ain't gonna happen. The guy is 39 yrs old with bad knees. He just
doesn't run well enough to get there any more. If you want Griffey in
the lineup he would improve the defense in right field imeassurably
but then what do you do with Dye and can Griffey's body stand the
strain of playing every day (and I am pretty sure the answer to that
is NO)
>I like to believe that he's in the same "book" with the coaches and managers
>and he's getting ready.
>
>Swisher is not a center fielder (nor much of a hitter
>> as far as I can see) and Anderson can't be all that great because he
>> can't unseat the other 2.
>
>I agree that Swisher isn't much for center and Anderson is not much better.
>There's a choke syndrome at that position but maybe Ken can fix it.
>
>> The Twins win because they are strong defensivley up the middle and if
>> we want to win we better get that way (the reason we won in 2005 is we
>> were strong up the middle).
>
>The infield has been fairly solid. Bad bounces and all, simply seem to
>happen. I've few complaints.
>What could Jermaine do yesterday as the ball bounced (spun) into the right
>field bleachers?
He could have got there and caught it just as the Red Sox right
fielder did on a similar play ( just as the play in center in the
first inning. Our guy couldn't make the play their guy did make that
play)
That's the point of what I am saying about being strong up the middle.
You are right the middle infielders altho unspectacular are adequate
but the defense in CF is terrible and AJ is plain and simply not a
good defensive catcher and doesn't throw well to the bases in a steal
situation (and evidently this year can't catch pop ups)


>The announcer from Boston sounded overly critical of Dye, but what can you
>do?
I don't thinl he was ( i didn't hear him but if he said something bad
it deserved to be said ( I said a few bad things after I saw the play
)). I don't know how you were viewing (hearing) the play but I
was watching in beautiful HD and Dye looked like he made little to no
effort to get there or to catch the ball. That is the thing I find
most frustrating about Dye, one time he makes a catch like he did
against the RF wall the other day (and he has the talent to do that
ALL the time) but most often the effort we get is the one that we got
on the afformentioned play. ( and remember The Bosox RF made almost he
exact same play)
Jim
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On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:10:54 -0400, mercutio <jim.RemoveThis@witsend.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:04:14 -0700, "thomas hagen"
><hagenthomas.RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>"mercutio" <jim.RemoveThis@witsend.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>Your criticism sounds more like condemnation.
>
>Not a condemnation as much as a simple statement of fact. Vasquez (as
>I have said more than few times here) is a .500 pitcher with an ERA
>in the mid to high 4's up to 5 That's what he has been all his career
>why should he be any better now.Last year was the career year and not
>the norm for Javier. What you will see the rest of this year and the
>next 2 that he is under contract is more of what you have seen since
>he came to us (minus the 2007 year)
>>It's hard for any opposing pitcher to do well in Boston.
>>How about the hitters?
>>We've witnessed foibles of Damaso Marte, but he came through as I one day
>>hope that Dotel might.
>Marte showed that he could be successful in his early years with us
>then went thru a bad strech, had we stayed with him as we stayed with
>Contreras we wouldn't Thorton and Boone Logan coming in and failing
>repeatedly.


Marte ain't lighting things up in NY. I doubt he will be with them
next year. Marte appears to be one of those guys who is very good on a
bad team but not someone you can count on in a pennant race or in big
games.


>I don't know much about Dotel except that he is incredibly
>inconsistant.What I have seen he is either very very good or very very
>bad. My guess is that is why he was a free agent for us to sign. As in
>Vasquez' case i think it is a what you see is what you get type of
>thing. He has been around awhile and has been this way. To expect him
>to change just because he put on a White Sox uniform is unrealistic on
>your part
>
>
>>When you play in Boston you have got to expect the worst.
>>I can live with any amount of losses, but I'll hope for any win to be had.
>>
>>> Center field play defensivly is Abysmal. Griffey can't cover the
>>> ground anymore,
>>
>>I think that there's a good chance that he'll make a few more unbelievable
>>plays.
>
>Just ain't gonna happen. The guy is 39 yrs old with bad knees. He just
>doesn't run well enough to get there any more. If you want Griffey in
>the lineup he would improve the defense in right field imeassurably
>but then what do you do with Dye and can Griffey's body stand the
>strain of playing every day (and I am pretty sure the answer to that
>is NO)
>>I like to believe that he's in the same "book" with the coaches and managers
>>and he's getting ready.
>>
>>Swisher is not a center fielder (nor much of a hitter
>>> as far as I can see) and Anderson can't be all that great because he
>>> can't unseat the other 2.
>>
>>I agree that Swisher isn't much for center and Anderson is not much better.
>>There's a choke syndrome at that position but maybe Ken can fix it.
>>
>>> The Twins win because they are strong defensivley up the middle and if
>>> we want to win we better get that way (the reason we won in 2005 is we
>>> were strong up the middle).
>>
>>The infield has been fairly solid. Bad bounces and all, simply seem to
>>happen. I've few complaints.
>>What could Jermaine do yesterday as the ball bounced (spun) into the right
>>field bleachers?
>He could have got there and caught it just as the Red Sox right
>fielder did on a similar play ( just as the play in center in the
>first inning. Our guy couldn't make the play their guy did make that
>play)
>That's the point of what I am saying about being strong up the middle.
>You are right the middle infielders altho unspectacular are adequate
>but the defense in CF is terrible and AJ is plain and simply not a
>good defensive catcher and doesn't throw well to the bases in a steal
>situation (and evidently this year can't catch pop ups)
>
>
>>The announcer from Boston sounded overly critical of Dye, but what can you
>>do?
> I don't thinl he was ( i didn't hear him but if he said something bad
>it deserved to be said ( I said a few bad things after I saw the play
> )). I don't know how you were viewing (hearing) the play but I
>was watching in beautiful HD and Dye looked like he made little to no
>effort to get there or to catch the ball. That is the thing I find
>most frustrating about Dye, one time he makes a catch like he did
>against the RF wall the other day (and he has the talent to do that
>ALL the time) but most often the effort we get is the one that we got
>on the afformentioned play. ( and remember The Bosox RF made almost he
>exact same play)
>Jim
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