Is Santana A Crybaby?

On 2008-06-29 09:39:26 -0400, "Deja Vu" <wlastname.DeleteThis@optonline.net.invalid> said:

> Last two losses, here's what he had to say:
>
> After a David Wright error kept an inning alive resulting in a grand slam:
>
> "You've just got to make those routine plays."
>
> Wright gracefully accepted the criticism saying "I've got no problem with
> that. I have to make those plays." He could have said: "Yeah, like you have
> to get the opposing pitcher out, especially an American league pitcher who
> never bats."
>
> After yesterday's loss:
>
> "I cannot go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do."
> Yeah, but you can do the things you have to do, like get the opposing
> pitcher out and give up less than three runs in six innings.

No, he'd be a crybaby if he didn't have an ERA of 3, and wasn't tied
for the league lead in strikeouts. And since his ERA of 3.01,
mathematically, is based on nine-inning stints, how often is he giving
up 3 runs or more in six innings?

As for getting the opposing pitcher out, is there any evidence he's any
worse, or even less lucky, than any other pitcher? What pitch would you
have thrown to that guy from Seattle, to guarantee an out?

Glavine was a crybaby when he made similar statements, but he didn't
much care about anything but that 300th win.

Santana has never, as far as I know, failed to bring, and keep, his
team within a reasonable chance of winning with halfway decent defense
and offense. Unfortunately the Mets have been largely sub-decent on
both.
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"Phil" <phil RemoveThis @nomail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-06-29 09:39:26 -0400, "Deja Vu" <wlastname RemoveThis @optonline.net.invalid>
> said:
>
>> Last two losses, here's what he had to say:
>>
>> After a David Wright error kept an inning alive resulting in a grand
>> slam:
>>
>> "You've just got to make those routine plays."
>>
>> Wright gracefully accepted the criticism saying "I've got no problem with
>> that. I have to make those plays." He could have said: "Yeah, like you
>> have
>> to get the opposing pitcher out, especially an American league pitcher
>> who
>> never bats."
>>
>> After yesterday's loss:
>>
>> "I cannot go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do."
>> Yeah, but you can do the things you have to do, like get the opposing
>> pitcher out and give up less than three runs in six innings.
>
> No, he'd be a crybaby if he didn't have an ERA of 3, and wasn't tied for
> the league lead in strikeouts. And since his ERA of 3.01, mathematically,
> is based on nine-inning stints, how often is he giving up 3 runs or more
> in six innings?
>
> As for getting the opposing pitcher out, is there any evidence he's any
> worse, or even less lucky, than any other pitcher? What pitch would you
> have thrown to that guy from Seattle, to guarantee an out?
>
> Glavine was a crybaby when he made similar statements, but he didn't much
> care about anything but that 300th win.
>
> Santana has never, as far as I know, failed to bring, and keep, his team
> within a reasonable chance of winning with halfway decent defense and
> offense. Unfortunately the Mets have been largely sub-decent on both.
>

I'd be crying if I were the starting pitcher and looked at my teams line up
after position 4. It's a MESS.
Basically, the opposing pitcher has to work for 3 innings and that's it.

This is a sorry ass line-up right now. Hopefully, Church returns to form.
Alou? Hello. Is anyone home?

LGM 2008
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On Jun 29, 11:29�am, "Robert" <floy....DeleteThis@optonline.net> wrote:
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> >> On 2008-06-29 09:39:26 -0400, "Deja Vu" <wlastn....DeleteThis@optonline.net.invalid>
> >> said:
>
> >>> Last two losses, here's what he had to say:
>
> >>> After a David Wright error kept an inning alive resulting in a grand
> >>> slam:
>
> >>> "You've just got to make those routine plays."
>
> >>> Wright gracefully accepted the criticism saying "I've got no problem
> >>> with
> >>> that. I have to make those plays." He could have said: "Yeah, like you
> >>> have
> >>> to get the opposing pitcher out, especially an American league pitcher
> >>> who
> >>> never bats."
>
> >>> After yesterday's loss:
>
> >>> "I cannot go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do.."
> >>> Yeah, but you can do the things you have to do, like get the opposing
> >>> pitcher out and give up less than three runs in six innings.
>
> >> No, he'd be a crybaby if he didn't have an ERA of 3, and wasn't tied for
> >> the league lead in strikeouts. And since his ERA of 3.01, mathematically,
> >> is based on nine-inning stints, how often is he giving up 3 runs or more
> >> in six innings?
>
> >> As for getting the opposing pitcher out, is there any evidence he's any
> >> worse, or even less lucky, than any other pitcher? What pitch would you
> >> have thrown to that guy from Seattle, to guarantee an out?
>
> >> Glavine was a crybaby when he made similar statements, but he didn't much
> >> care about anything but that 300th win.
>
> >> Santana has never, as far as I know, failed to bring, and keep, his team
> >> within a reasonable chance of winning with halfway decent defense and
> >> offense. Unfortunately the Mets have been largely sub-decent on both.
>
> > I'd be crying if I were the starting pitcher and looked at my teams line
> > up after position 4. It's a MESS.
> > Basically, the opposing pitcher has to work for 3 innings and that's it..
>
> > This is a sorry ass line-up right now. Hopefully, Church returns to form.
> > Alou? Hello. Is anyone home?
>
> He also said after the game how the ump blew some calls, and his job is to
> keep his team in the game with a chance to win. WRONG! When his team is
> going bad his job is to shutout the other team if necessary. Randy Johnson
> said the same thing while with the Skanks and got roasted for it.
>
> He has good cause to feel those things, but you don't complain out loud
> about it.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

LOL, even when he shuts the other team down he loses. He is doing his
job on a regular basis. His numbers are evidence that he is. But too
many others are not. And their numbers reflect that as well.

David
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On Jun 29, 12:12 pm, David <whatsamata... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
> LOL, even when he shuts the other team down he loses. He is doing his
> job on a regular basis. His numbers are evidence that he is. But too
> many others are not. And their numbers reflect that as well.

So what? That's no excuse for taking a public dump all over your
teammates. Santana is a chump because he doesn't have the grace and
dignity to refrain from displacing the blame.

W
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> "Phil" <phil RemoveThis @nomail.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2008-06-29 09:39:26 -0400, "Deja Vu" <wlastname RemoveThis @optonline.net.invalid>
>> said:
>>
>>> Last two losses, here's what he had to say:
>>>
>>> After a David Wright error kept an inning alive resulting in a grand
>>> slam:
>>>
>>> "You've just got to make those routine plays."
>>>
>>> Wright gracefully accepted the criticism saying "I've got no problem
>>> with
>>> that. I have to make those plays." He could have said: "Yeah, like you
>>> have
>>> to get the opposing pitcher out, especially an American league pitcher
>>> who
>>> never bats."
>>>
>>> After yesterday's loss:
>>>
>>> "I cannot go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do."
>>> Yeah, but you can do the things you have to do, like get the opposing
>>> pitcher out and give up less than three runs in six innings.
>>
>> No, he'd be a crybaby if he didn't have an ERA of 3, and wasn't tied for
>> the league lead in strikeouts. And since his ERA of 3.01, mathematically,
>> is based on nine-inning stints, how often is he giving up 3 runs or more
>> in six innings?
>>
>> As for getting the opposing pitcher out, is there any evidence he's any
>> worse, or even less lucky, than any other pitcher? What pitch would you
>> have thrown to that guy from Seattle, to guarantee an out?
>>
>> Glavine was a crybaby when he made similar statements, but he didn't much
>> care about anything but that 300th win.
>>
>> Santana has never, as far as I know, failed to bring, and keep, his team
>> within a reasonable chance of winning with halfway decent defense and
>> offense. Unfortunately the Mets have been largely sub-decent on both.
>>
>
> I'd be crying if I were the starting pitcher and looked at my teams line
> up after position 4. It's a MESS.
> Basically, the opposing pitcher has to work for 3 innings and that's it.
>
> This is a sorry ass line-up right now. Hopefully, Church returns to form.
> Alou? Hello. Is anyone home?
>

He also said after the game how the ump blew some calls, and his job is to
keep his team in the game with a chance to win. WRONG! When his team is
going bad his job is to shutout the other team if necessary. Randy Johnson
said the same thing while with the Skanks and got roasted for it.

He has good cause to feel those things, but you don't complain out loud
about it.
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:40:49 -0400, Doctor Chen wrote:

> But
> with that said he should shut his mouth.

Better you should shut up.

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On Jun 29, 12:18�pm, Wretch <wret....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 12:12 pm, David <whatsamata....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > LOL, even when he shuts the other team down he loses. He is doing his
> > job on a regular basis. His numbers are evidence that he is. But too
> > many others are not. And their numbers reflect that as well.
>
> So what? �That's no excuse for taking a public dump all over your
> teammates. �Santana is a chump because he doesn't have the grace and
> dignity to refrain from displacing the blame.
>
> W

So he should just take the blame for everbody else's screwups?

He's never played with a team that is this bad defensively. How do you
know he hasn't already tried the face to face talks to try to get his
teammates heads out of their bums and it hasn't worked and he's tired
of seeing ND's and L's next to his name in the box score.

If they can't take the heat, maybe they should start making the plays
and hit the ball a bit.
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:46:41 -0400, Ruben <ruben.DeleteThis@www2.mrbrklyn.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:40:49 -0400, Doctor Chen wrote:
>
>> But
>> with that said he should shut his mouth.
>
>Better you should shut up.

Nope, but feel free to take your own advice.
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On Jun 30, 2:37 am, Doctor Chen <drc... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> Santana is acting like he's pitching lights out.  The reality is he's
> great in 1/3 of his starts, decent in another 1/3, and horrible in the
> other 1/3.

That's not reality. His two worst starts in 17 chances are 4 ERs in 6
innings. I wouldn't consider that a quality start, but its clearly not
horrible either. Beyond that, he has one other game where he gave up 4
ERs and that was over 7 innings. The one time he didn't last at least
6 innings, he gave up only 2 ERs. Not horrible. He's gone at least 7
innings in 10 of his starts. Only Pelfrey comes close to that mark
with 4 games in 15 tries.

As a reality check, look at Perez who has 6-17 games north of 4 runs.
His record more accurately represents the 3 way split you were talking
about.
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:37:41 -0700 (PDT), JEK <mcrebob.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 30, 2:37 am, Doctor Chen <drc....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Santana is acting like he's pitching lights out.  The reality is he's
>> great in 1/3 of his starts, decent in another 1/3, and horrible in the
>> other 1/3.
>
>That's not reality.
>His two worst starts in 17 chances are 4 ERs in 6
>innings. I wouldn't consider that a quality start, but its clearly not
>horrible either. Beyond that, he has one other game where he gave up 4
>ERs and that was over 7 innings. The one time he didn't last at least
>6 innings, he gave up only 2 ERs. Not horrible. He's gone at least 7
>innings in 10 of his starts. Only Pelfrey comes close to that mark
>with 4 games in 15 tries.
>
>As a reality check, look at Perez who has 6-17 games north of 4 runs.
>His record more accurately represents the 3 way split you were talking
>about.

For the last 5 games he pitched the Mets scored an avg. of 2 runs per
game for him. No wonder the man's pissed.
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On Jun 30, 4:49�pm, Doctor Chen <drc... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:37:41 -0700 (PDT), JEK <mcre... RemoveThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 30, 2:37�am, Doctor Chen <drc... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> Santana is acting like he's pitching lights out. �The reality is he's
> >> great in 1/3 of his starts, decent in another 1/3, and horrible in the
> >> other 1/3.
>
> >That's not reality.
> >His two worst starts in 17 chances are 4 ERs in 6
> >innings. I wouldn't consider that a quality start, but its clearly not
> >horrible either. Beyond that, he has one other game where he gave up 4
> >ERs and that was over 7 innings. The one time he didn't last at least
> >6 innings, he gave up only 2 ERs. Not horrible. He's gone at least 7
> >innings in 10 of his starts. Only Pelfrey comes close to that mark
> >with 4 games in 15 tries.
>
> >As a reality check, look at Perez who has 6-17 games north of 4 runs.
> >His record more accurately represents the 3 way split you were talking
> >about.
>
> For the last 5 games he pitched the Mets scored an avg. of 2 runs per
> game for him. �No wonder the man's pissed.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL, are you the same Doctor Chen that wrote the other message. Are
you trying to Jekyll & Hyde us?

David
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