The Rose Award For 4-9-2008.

In rec.sport.baseball powrwrap <powrwrap DeleteThis @aol.com> says:
>> On Apr 10, 4:48?pm, "rosecomm4...@aol.com" wrote:

>> The Rose Award goes to Jason Kubel of the Minnesota Twins, who
>> hit a grand slam. ?

>How many times are you going to give the Rose Award to a player that
>hits a grand slam? Pete Rose only had 1 grand slam in his entire
>career. That's one grand salami in 24 seaons spanning over 14,000 ABs.
>I would *bet* that he's got the lowest grand slam rate of any player
>with over 7,000 ABs.

But he has the highest grand slam rate of any player with more than
4256 hits.

Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter.

cordially, as always,

rm
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"Realto Margarino" <rm.TakeThisOut@justlinux.ca> wrote in message
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> In rec.sport.baseball powrwrap <powrwrap.TakeThisOut@aol.com> says:
>>> On Apr 10, 4:48?pm, "rosecomm4...@aol.com" wrote:
>
>>> The Rose Award goes to Jason Kubel of the Minnesota Twins, who
>>> hit a grand slam. ?
>
>>How many times are you going to give the Rose Award to a player that
>>hits a grand slam? Pete Rose only had 1 grand slam in his entire
>>career. That's one grand salami in 24 seaons spanning over 14,000 ABs.
>>I would *bet* that he's got the lowest grand slam rate of any player
>>with over 7,000 ABs.
>
> But he has the highest grand slam rate of any player with more than
> 4256 hits.
>
> Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
>
When you consider that half of the players in the HoF are from the pre
Jackie Robinson era it seems sort of strange to exclude Pete Rose just
because he had a weakness for gambling.
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On Apr 14, 2:08 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca....RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
> "Realto Margarino" <r....RemoveThis@justlinux.ca> wrote in message
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> > In rec.sport.baseball powrwrap <powrw....RemoveThis@aol.com> says:
> >>> On Apr 10, 4:48?pm, "rosecomm4...@aol.com"  wrote:
>
> >>> The Rose Award goes to Jason Kubel of the Minnesota Twins, who
> >>> hit a grand slam. ?
>
> >>How many times are you going to give the Rose Award to a player that
> >>hits a grand slam? Pete Rose only had 1 grand slam in his entire
> >>career. That's one grand salami in 24 seaons spanning over 14,000 ABs.
> >>I would *bet* that he's got the lowest grand slam rate of any player
> >>with over 7,000 ABs.
>
> > But he has the highest grand slam rate of any player with more than
> > 4256 hits.
>
> > Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter.
>
> > cordially, as always,
>
> When you consider that half of the players in the HoF are from the pre
> Jackie Robinson era it seems sort of strange to exclude Pete Rose just
> because he had a weakness for gambling.- Hide quoted text -
>
He is not excluded from the HOF because he has a weakness for
gambling. He is excluded because he is under a lifetime banishment
from baseball. And his banishment came about because he bet on
baseball, which is altogether different from having a weakness for
gambling.

brianj
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On Apr 14, 8:12 am, Realto Margarino <r....TakeThisOut@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> In rec.sport.baseball powrwrap <powrw....TakeThisOut@aol.com> says:
>
> >> On Apr 10, 4:48?pm, "rosecomm4...@aol.com"  wrote:
> >> The Rose Award goes to Jason Kubel of the Minnesota Twins, who
> >> hit a grand slam. ?
> >How many times are you going to give the Rose Award to a player that
> >hits a grand slam? Pete Rose only had 1 grand slam in his entire
> >career. That's one grand salami in 24 seaons spanning over 14,000 ABs.
> >I would *bet* that he's got the lowest grand slam rate of any player
> >with over 7,000 ABs.
>
> But he has the highest grand slam rate of any player with more than
> 4256 hits.
>
> Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
>
I suppose somebody has pointed out to you that he also had more at
bats than anybody else, so his odds were better than anybody else.
Probably you also know that of all the MLB players ever, Charlie
Hustle has been put out more times than anyone else. So by your
logic, he is not only the greatest hitter, he is also the greatest at-
batter, and the greatest outer. Oh, did I mention he is serving out a
lifetime banishment from the sport for betting on baseball? Something
to be proud of.

brianj
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"brianj" <firstpres.TakeThisOut@turtlecreek.net> wrote in message
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On Apr 14, 2:08 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca....TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
> "Realto Margarino" <r....TakeThisOut@justlinux.ca> wrote in message
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> > In rec.sport.baseball powrwrap <powrw....TakeThisOut@aol.com> says:
> >>> On Apr 10, 4:48?pm, "rosecomm4...@aol.com" wrote:
>
> >>> The Rose Award goes to Jason Kubel of the Minnesota Twins, who
> >>> hit a grand slam. ?
>
> >>How many times are you going to give the Rose Award to a player that
> >>hits a grand slam? Pete Rose only had 1 grand slam in his entire
> >>career. That's one grand salami in 24 seaons spanning over 14,000 ABs.
> >>I would *bet* that he's got the lowest grand slam rate of any player
> >>with over 7,000 ABs.
>
> > But he has the highest grand slam rate of any player with more than
> > 4256 hits.
>
> > Pete Rose remains the game's greatest hitter.
>
> > cordially, as always,
>
> When you consider that half of the players in the HoF are from the pre
> Jackie Robinson era it seems sort of strange to exclude Pete Rose just
> because he had a weakness for gambling.- Hide quoted text -
>
He is not excluded from the HOF because he has a weakness for
gambling. He is excluded because he is under a lifetime banishment
from baseball. And his banishment came about because he bet on
baseball, which is altogether different from having a weakness for
gambling.

brianj

Of course he bet on baseball. He had a gambling illness. When somebody
makes 30+ phone calls to the sports score hotline in a few hours that is a
clear sign of an illness. If only he had the internet back then he would be
in the Hall. He still has more base hits than anyone who is in the HoF. Ty
Cobb and Babe Ruth were not exactly Eagle Scouts either.
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On Apr 15, 7:12 am, Realto Margarino <r....TakeThisOut@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstp....TakeThisOut@turtlecreek.net> says:
>
> >I suppose somebody has pointed out to you that he also had more at
> >bats than anybody else, so his odds were better than anybody else.
>
> Perhaps someone has pointed out to you that he has more atbats than
> anyone else because he was the game's greatest hitter.
>
> Duh.
>
> >Probably you also know that of all the MLB players ever, Charlie
> >Hustle has been put out more times than anyone else.
>
> And ihaving the most outs is a direct consequence of having the most
> atbats, which is itself a direct consequence of being the game's
> greatest hitter.
>
> And it goes on and on.  And we have been doing the Pete Rose dance
> for longer than you have been alive.  There is no pathetic attempt
> at rationalizing a newbie like yourself can come up with that
> changes the simple fact, that Pete Rose remains the game's greatest
> hitter, by definition and without qualification.
>

Huh? Are you saying you are right because you are old, or because you
have been a Rose fan for a long time?

Your logic is something else. Something other than logic, I mean. So
you believe that he had the most ABs because he was the greatest
hitter? And you believe that he has the most outs of any player in
history because he was the greatest hitter?

Here's a (personally painful) example of the flaw in your logic: In
2007, Nick Punto inexplicably tallied 472 ABs. Now the 2007 Twins
were no great shakes, but that puts him 5th on the list for that
year. By your logic he was the 4th greatest hitter on that team.
Want to see his numbers? BA: .210; SLG: 271; OPB: .291. Seventeen
Twins had better averages. Seventeen Twins slugged better. Fourteeen
Twins got on base more often. The fact that Rose got a lot of outs
does not mean he was a great hitter, it means he was a great at-
batter. That's not necessarily something to be proud of. Ask Nick
Punto.

You believe whatever makes you happy. Just don't try to pass any of
that off as logical.

brianj
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On Apr 15, 7:01 am, Realto Margarino <r....RemoveThis@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstp....RemoveThis@turtlecreek.net> says:
>
> >He is not excluded from the HOF because he has a weakness for
> >gambling.  He is excluded because he is under a lifetime banishment
> >from baseball.
>
> Wrong.  He is not in the HoF simply because the HoF Board of
> Directors refuse to put him on their ballot.  He did not break any
> HoF eligibility rules.

HOF eligibility requires that the player not be on the "banned for
life" list. He's on it. You are wrong.

>
> >And his banishment came about because he bet on
> >baseball, which is altogether different from having a weakness for
> >gambling.
>
> Actually, Pete Rose was not "banished" from baseball.  Pete Rose
> walked away.

He lives every day under banishment from baseball. The fact that he
agreed to it means nothing except that he got caught and had no excuse
for his rule-breaking conduct or his lying.

>
> You're the kind of shrill little man that screams "you're fired" at
> someone's back as they're walking away, having quit in disgust.
>

I am? How would you know that?


> We step on people like you.  We squash people like you.  So does
> Pete Rose.
>
> You can't ban somebody from a sport that they chose to leave.

You know, you say that like one day Pete just got up and decided he
was no longer interested in baseball. The truth is that he was in big
trouble and he knew it. And so does everybody else. I know I am
going out on a limb, but I think even you know it.

> That's just Neiporentian

I am pretty sure that's not a word.

brianj
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> On Apr 15, 4:23 am, "RickyBobby" <nasca....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:

> Of course he bet on baseball.  He had a gambling illness. When somebody
> makes 30+ phone calls to the sports score hotline in a few hours that is a
> clear sign of an illness.  

Gambling is an illness? How convenient to make gamblers into some sort
of a victim. Gambling is the result of free will decisions, not any
germ or virus.

Exactly how does someone contract this gambling illness? Is it
contagious? A virus or bacterial?

Gambling is an addiction, not an illness.
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On Apr 15, 11:26 am, Realto Margarino <r... DeleteThis @justlinux.ca> wrote:
> In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstp... DeleteThis @turtlecreek.net> says:
>
> >> That's just Neiporentian
> >I am pretty sure that's not a word.
>
> Our bad.  The word is "Nieporentian."  "i" before "e" and all that
> stuff.
>
>
I am still stumped. Neither Webster nor I know of this word. Care to
enlighten?

brianj
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In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstpres.TakeThisOut@turtlecreek.net> says:

>He is not excluded from the HOF because he has a weakness for
>gambling. He is excluded because he is under a lifetime banishment
>from baseball.

Wrong. He is not in the HoF simply because the HoF Board of
Directors refuse to put him on their ballot. He did not break any
HoF eligibility rules.

>And his banishment came about because he bet on
>baseball, which is altogether different from having a weakness for
>gambling.

Actually, Pete Rose was not "banished" from baseball. Pete Rose
walked away.

You're the kind of shrill little man that screams "you're fired" at
someone's back as they're walking away, having quit in disgust.

We step on people like you. We squash people like you. So does
Pete Rose.

You can't ban somebody from a sport that they chose to leave.
That's just Neiporentian hand-waving.

cordially, as always,

rm
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In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstpres.TakeThisOut@turtlecreek.net> says:

>I suppose somebody has pointed out to you that he also had more at
>bats than anybody else, so his odds were better than anybody else.

Perhaps someone has pointed out to you that he has more atbats than
anyone else because he was the game's greatest hitter.

Duh.

>Probably you also know that of all the MLB players ever, Charlie
>Hustle has been put out more times than anyone else.

And ihaving the most outs is a direct consequence of having the most
atbats, which is itself a direct consequence of being the game's
greatest hitter.

And it goes on and on. And we have been doing the Pete Rose dance
for longer than you have been alive. There is no pathetic attempt
at rationalizing a newbie like yourself can come up with that
changes the simple fact, that Pete Rose remains the game's greatest
hitter, by definition and without qualification.

You can look it up.

cordially, as always,

rm
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"Realto Margarino" <rm DeleteThis @justlinux.ca> wrote in message
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> In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstpres DeleteThis @turtlecreek.net> says:
>
>>I suppose somebody has pointed out to you that he also had more at
>>bats than anybody else, so his odds were better than anybody else.
>
> Perhaps someone has pointed out to you that he has more atbats than
> anyone else because he was the game's greatest hitter.


That's not even a quality argument.


>
> Duh.
>
>>Probably you also know that of all the MLB players ever, Charlie
>>Hustle has been put out more times than anyone else.
>
> And ihaving the most outs is a direct consequence of having the most
> atbats, which is itself a direct consequence of being the game's
> greatest hitter.


That's not a quality argument either.


>
> And it goes on and on. And we have been doing the Pete Rose dance
> for longer than you have been alive.


How would you know how old someone is from their post? Are you clairvoyant?
Oh madam realto margine...what doth the future hold?


>There is no pathetic attempt
> at rationalizing a newbie like yourself can come up with that
> changes the simple fact, that Pete Rose remains the game's greatest
> hitter, by definition and without qualification.


When all else fails....start insulting the poster you're replying to.
You've thrown up two weak, non-quality arguments already and the only thing
you have left in the tank is that he's the greatest hitter? PFFTTT!! Being
the greatest hitter doesn't entitle him to walk all over the rule book by
virtue of HOF status or holding an MLB record. I don't think anybody would
argue his worth for hitting, it's his worth for illegally betting on
baseball that scorns the fans.


> cordially, as always,


Huh! So you give folks a high five after you rob them? Interesting
concept.
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On Apr 15, 2:30 pm, Realto Margarino <r....DeleteThis@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstp....DeleteThis@turtlecreek.net> says:
>
> >On Apr 15, 11:26 am, Realto Margarino <r....DeleteThis@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> >> In rec.sport.baseball brianj <firstp....DeleteThis@turtlecreek.net> says:
>
> >> >> That's just Neiporentian
> >> >I am pretty sure that's not a word.
>
> >> Our bad.  The word is "Nieporentian."  "i" before "e" and all that
> >> stuff.
>
> >I am still stumped.  Neither Webster nor I know of this word.  Care to
> >enlighten?
>
> You post to an internet baseball group and you don't know what a
> Nieporent is?
>
> Shame shame.  Google google.
>
>

He's a basball fan that I am supposed to know before I post to
Usenet? I don't get it.

brianj
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