The Rose Award For 9-9-05.

Can you prove that? Since Rose agreed to the suspension, baseball never
had to prove that did or did not throw a game.

"Realto Margarino" <rm.TakeThisOut@biteme.org> wrote in message news:YaoVe.1500
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> Barry Bonds cheats. Pete Rose never cheated the game once.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
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Instead of baseball pussyfooting around with Pete Rose.
What they ought to do is DEFINE or re-define what "Lifetime Suspension"
means.

right now it means Baseballs lifetime

they should change it to read.........Pete Roses
lifetime..............this way as soon as Rose Passes away he can be
elected to the Hall of Fame.
and Shoeless Joe can go in right now.

this is more serious than most think.
did you know Petes son who now plays for the Atlantic Leagues
Long Island Ducks now wants to be known as PJ Rose.

that almost sounds like he wants to distance himself from his Dads
problems
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> He bet on his team to win. There is nothing wrong with that.

Sure there is...

If you bet on your team to win, then you stand a chance to be managing
to win a game at the cost of the next game or the season.

Let's say you bet on the Reds to win. Your closer has pitched the last
2 games and is tired. You are up by 1 to start the 9th inning and your
pen overall is weak. Do you put the closer in to win the game, but
risk him getting a dead arm or hurt?

Normally, no, you don't put him in the game. What if you have money on
the game? $1,000, $10,000, ... You can up with many more examples
like these.

I'm tired of this, 'he only bet on his team' argument. By betting on
his team he compromised his ability to make sound decisions for his
team.

Now did he make such a decision? I don't know, but I don't have to
know. In every job there is a line you do not cross, because just
looking guilty is enough for you not to keep your job. Not fair, but
that's life. It's true in politics, for CEOs, etc.

There was a line in the sand and he crossed it. Even the veterans
committee doesn't want him back and that to me speak volumes more
than your opinion or mine...

Paul W
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In rec.sport.baseball sfb <sfb RemoveThis @spam.net> wrote:
> Can you prove that? Since Rose agreed to the suspension, baseball never
> had to prove that did or did not throw a game.

Rose was never accused of throwing a game. Why would they have to
prove something that they never suspected him of doing?

G'nite Martha,

cordially, as always,

rm
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Betting on the game and throwing the game both have the same penalty. He
admitted to betting so baseball never had to press the throwing charges.
Just because nobody had to prove it, don't claim it did not happen.

"Realto Margarino" <rm.DeleteThis@biteme.org> wrote in message
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> In rec.sport.baseball sfb <sfb.DeleteThis@spam.net> wrote:
>> Can you prove that? Since Rose agreed to the suspension, baseball
>> never
>> had to prove that did or did not throw a game.
>
> Rose was never accused of throwing a game. Why would they have to
> prove something that they never suspected him of doing?
>
> G'nite Martha,
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
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In rec.sport.baseball sfb <sfb DeleteThis @spam.net> wrote:

> Betting on the game and throwing the game both have the same
> penalty. He admitted to betting so baseball never had to press the
> throwing charges. Just because nobody had to prove it, don't
> claim it did not happen.

But he has never been accused of throwing a game, even by those who
investigated his activity. Are _you_ accusing him of throwing a
game? Which game are you accusing him of throwing and why do you
believe that he threw that game?

Please do not top-post.

cordially, as always,

rm
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I've never claimed Rose threw a game. I simply said that baseball never
had to prove he threw a game because betting alone was sufficient for
the maximum penalty baseball could impose. Claiming that he did not
because it wasn't proven is not sufficient to say he never threw a game
as a manager.

Please do not bottom-post.

"Realto Margarino" <rm.RemoveThis@biteme.org> wrote in message
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> In rec.sport.baseball sfb <sfb.RemoveThis@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> Betting on the game and throwing the game both have the same
>> penalty. He admitted to betting so baseball never had to press the
>> throwing charges. Just because nobody had to prove it, don't
>> claim it did not happen.
>
> But he has never been accused of throwing a game, even by those who
> investigated his activity. Are _you_ accusing him of throwing a
> game? Which game are you accusing him of throwing and why do you
> believe that he threw that game?
>
> Please do not top-post.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
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In rec.sport.baseball Jester <jester DeleteThis @sbc.net> wrote:

> You ARE a moron. Bonds has nothing to do with Rose.

Bonds most certainly does have something to do with Rose. Every
single Rose-hater on usenet loves Baby Bonds. And every single
Bonds hater accepts Rose as the game's greatest hitter, by
definition.

Now you will say differently to defend your position. But since you
never watched baseball in the past, you never saw Rose. And since
you don't watch baseball now, you've never seen Baby Bonds. That
means that your opinion doesn't mean jackshit.

G'nite Wanda,

cordially, even to hillbilly trash,

rm
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In rec.sport.baseball Jester <jester DeleteThis @sbc.net> wrote:

> Pathetic child I grew up in NYC in the 40's and 50's. Have seen
> it all. Even played 4 years of shortstop in college. Your posts
> prove over and over that you know nothing about baseball.

You're a legend in your own mind, I'm sure.

> What you say is untrue and absurd. Pete Rose was a great
> ballplayer. Nobody can say otherwise. I loved Pete Rose as a
> player. He played the game as it should be played and deserves
> all fan's admiration as a player.

Pete Rose was the game's greatest hitter, by definition.

> But he committed the biggest sin there is in baseball.

The biggest sin there is in baseball is cheating. As in Baby Bonds.

> He bet on games and threatened the integrity of the game in a way
> that only the Black Sox before him did. That issue does not have
> anything to do with Bonds.

He bet on his own team to win. There is nothing at all the matter
with betting on yourself to win.

G'nite Agnes,

cordially, as always,

rm
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:08:40 GMT, Realto Margarino <rm.DeleteThis@biteme.org>
wrote:

>> He bet on games and threatened the integrity of the game in a way
>> that only the Black Sox before him did. That issue does not have
>> anything to do with Bonds.
>
>He bet on his own team to win. There is nothing at all the matter
>with betting on yourself to win.

Of course there is. Tonight I bet on my own team, and tomorrow I
don't. I'd sacrifice tomorrow's game to win today.

Are you truly as stupid as you seem?
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"Realto Margarino" <rm RemoveThis @biteme.org> wrote in message
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> In rec.sport.baseball Jester <jester RemoveThis @sbc.net> wrote:
>
>> Pathetic child I grew up in NYC in the 40's and 50's. Have seen
>> it all. Even played 4 years of shortstop in college. Your posts
>> prove over and over that you know nothing about baseball.
>
> You're a legend in your own mind, I'm sure.
>
>> What you say is untrue and absurd. Pete Rose was a great
>> ballplayer. Nobody can say otherwise. I loved Pete Rose as a
>> player. He played the game as it should be played and deserves
>> all fan's admiration as a player.
>
> Pete Rose was the game's greatest hitter, by definition.
>
>> But he committed the biggest sin there is in baseball.
>
> The biggest sin there is in baseball is cheating. As in Baby Bonds.
>
>> He bet on games and threatened the integrity of the game in a way
>> that only the Black Sox before him did. That issue does not have
>> anything to do with Bonds.
>
> He bet on his own team to win. There is nothing at all the matter
> with betting on yourself to win.
>
> G'nite Agnes,
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

If you believe what you write, than you are an imbecile and not worth of
another minute of my time.

PLONK to imbecile......
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i have a question: so when are you incredibly pedantic boring people
going to stop crossposting this incredibly boring argument that
everyone has already gone over approximately a thousand times to the
phillies newsgroup?
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>
> i have a question: so when are you incredibly pedantic boring people
> going to stop crossposting this incredibly boring argument that
> everyone has already gone over approximately a thousand times to the
> phillies newsgroup?
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