The Rose Award For 5-7-04.

>From: "All the News"

>
>I just gotta ask... Why do you continue to support a
>person who not only broke the cardnial rule in baseball,
>but then lied about it for 14 years?

4,256 hits.
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Selig: Pete, give MLB what it wants, and in turn we'll give you what you want.

Keep in mind, you'll take a lot of heat.

Rose: Okay, let's do it.
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"Rosecomm4256" <rosecomm4256.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "All the News"
>
> >
> >I just gotta ask... Why do you continue to support a
> >person who not only broke the cardnial rule in baseball,
> >but then lied about it for 14 years?
>
> 4,256 hits.

That would appear to be sufficient, in your mind, to exempt him from
baseball's rules.

What is the threshold for this exemption? 4,000 hits? 3,000? How few would
be few enough that he would have to follow the rules like everyone else?

1MF
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> That would appear to be sufficient, in your mind, to exempt him from
> baseball's rules.
>
> What is the threshold for this exemption? 4,000 hits? 3,000? How few would
> be few enough that he would have to follow the rules like everyone else?
>
> 1MF
>

While I do not condone what Pete did and I feel it can not be tolerated and
I fully realize 1MF stated "baseball rules" and that is key here. Let's
look at some other facts here. If a non-baseball player bets in Las Vegas
this is legal and there is no law broken. Pete bet and is busted big time
and I do agree he broke MLB rules

At the same time, currently, the MLB allows a player to test positive for
steroids more than once before any action is taken. Yet if anyone of us
were caught doing steroids we would be on our way to jail.

What is fair here...

Aloha

Tiger Fred

Just some thoughts...
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"Tiger Fred" <spamme.TakeThisOut@spamme.com> wrote in message
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>
> > That would appear to be sufficient, in your mind, to exempt him from
> > baseball's rules.
> >
> > What is the threshold for this exemption? 4,000 hits? 3,000? How few
would
> > be few enough that he would have to follow the rules like everyone else?
> >
> > 1MF
> >
>
> While I do not condone what Pete did and I feel it can not be tolerated
and
> I fully realize 1MF stated "baseball rules" and that is key here. Let's
> look at some other facts here. If a non-baseball player bets in Las Vegas
> this is legal and there is no law broken. Pete bet and is busted big time
> and I do agree he broke MLB rules
>
> At the same time, currently, the MLB allows a player to test positive for
> steroids more than once before any action is taken. Yet if anyone of us
> were caught doing steroids we would be on our way to jail.
>
> What is fair here...

The question is thought-provoking, but irrelevant to the Rose discussion.
Just because one rule is unfairly applied (if you accept that premise)
doesn't mean another rule - which clearly *is* fairly applied - should be
ignored for certain players. That is the epitome of unfairness.

Invoking the example of the non-player going to Vegas is also irrelevant.
Indeed, Rose also broke no law (at least by betting) and no one says he did.
He broke a rule that he had a contractual obligation to follow, and he is
suffering the proscribed punishment he knew about before he ever did it.

Nothing else matters here. Not what happens to non-athletes. Not the steroid
rule. Not his hit total. Nothing.

Baseball does a lot of things wrong. One of the few things baseball does
consistently right is enforce the rule against betting on baseball - and yet
people whine and complain, no one more than Pete Rose, who continues every
day to get what he deserves.

1MF
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On 10 May 2004 22:28:59 GMT, rosecomm4256 RemoveThis @aol.com (Rosecomm4256)
enlightened us:

>>From: "All the News"
>
>>
>>I just gotta ask... Why do you continue to support a
>>person who not only broke the cardnial rule in baseball,
>>but then lied about it for 14 years?
>
>4,256 hits.
>----------------

Which he got by playing longer than he should have and, when he was a
manager, putting himself in games to the detriment of the club just so
he could get the hits (which rarely turned into runs or produced RBI).

The man was a dick and still is.

>
>Selig: Pete, give MLB what it wants, and in turn we'll give you what you want.
>
> Keep in mind, you'll take a lot of heat.
>
>Rose: Okay, let's do it.

Regards,

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"SkippyPB" <swiegand RemoveThis @neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> Which he got by playing longer than he should have and, when he was a
> manager, putting himself in games to the detriment of the club just so
> he could get the hits (which rarely turned into runs or produced RBI).

I'm the last person who's going to defend Rose on character issues, but just
as a matter of fact, only 194 of his hits came when he was his own manager.

During the time he was manager, he hit .262 with 115 RBI in 1,016 at-bats,
so if 450 at-bats is a normal season, he was averaging around 50 RBI per
season, usually hitting in the two hole.

Not the greatest numbers ever, obviously, but not as bad as you made them
sound.

>
> The man was a dick and still is.

Information and belief tend to support this statement.

1MF
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In article <10a19br8qcogd4d RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
"One Man's Fool" <dan RemoveThis @northstar-prifyouspammeilldestroyyou.com> wrote:

> "Tiger Fred" <spamme RemoveThis @spamme.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > That would appear to be sufficient, in your mind, to exempt him from
> > > baseball's rules.
> > >
> > > What is the threshold for this exemption? 4,000 hits? 3,000? How few
> would
> > > be few enough that he would have to follow the rules like everyone else?
> > >
> > > 1MF
> > >
> >
> > While I do not condone what Pete did and I feel it can not be tolerated
> and
> > I fully realize 1MF stated "baseball rules" and that is key here. Let's
> > look at some other facts here. If a non-baseball player bets in Las Vegas
> > this is legal and there is no law broken. Pete bet and is busted big time
> > and I do agree he broke MLB rules
> >
> > At the same time, currently, the MLB allows a player to test positive for
> > steroids more than once before any action is taken. Yet if anyone of us
> > were caught doing steroids we would be on our way to jail.
> >
> > What is fair here...
>
> The question is thought-provoking, but irrelevant to the Rose discussion.
> Just because one rule is unfairly applied (if you accept that premise)
> doesn't mean another rule - which clearly *is* fairly applied - should be
> ignored for certain players. That is the epitome of unfairness.
>
> Invoking the example of the non-player going to Vegas is also irrelevant.
> Indeed, Rose also broke no law (at least by betting) and no one says he did.
> He broke a rule that he had a contractual obligation to follow, and he is
> suffering the proscribed punishment he knew about before he ever did it.
>
> Nothing else matters here. Not what happens to non-athletes. Not the steroid
> rule. Not his hit total. Nothing.
>
> Baseball does a lot of things wrong. One of the few things baseball does
> consistently right is enforce the rule against betting on baseball - and yet
> people whine and complain, no one more than Pete Rose, who continues every
> day to get what he deserves.
>
> 1MF
>
>


Instead of allowing Rose into the hall of fame, they should kick out
anyone who bet, threw a game or cheated...

maybe it would be easier to let him in
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>From: "One Man's Fool"

>> 4,256 hits.
>
>That would appear to be sufficient, in your mind, to exempt him from
>baseball's rules.

Did the rules of baseball strip Rose of his 4,256 hits?
----------------

Selig: Pete, give MLB what it wants, and in turn we'll give you what you want.

Keep in mind, you'll take a lot of heat.

Rose: Okay, let's do it.
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"Rosecomm4256" <rosecomm4256.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Did the rules of baseball strip Rose of his 4,256 hits?

No, so what's your point? He still has his 4,256 hits. Is there something
else you think he's entitled to?

1MF
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>From: "One Man's Fool"

>> Did the rules of baseball strip Rose of his 4,256 hits?
>
>No, so what's your point? He still has his 4,256 hits. Is there something
>else you think he's entitled to?

The point: Why The Rose Award exists, and will continue to do so.
----------------

Selig: Pete, give MLB what it wants, and in turn we'll give you what you want.

Keep in mind, you'll take a lot of heat.

Rose: Okay, let's do it.
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 09:57:19 -0400, "One Man's Fool"
<dan DeleteThis @northstar-prifyouspammeilldestroyyou.com> enlightened us:

>
>"SkippyPB" <swiegand DeleteThis @neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Which he got by playing longer than he should have and, when he was a
>> manager, putting himself in games to the detriment of the club just so
>> he could get the hits (which rarely turned into runs or produced RBI).
>
>I'm the last person who's going to defend Rose on character issues, but just
>as a matter of fact, only 194 of his hits came when he was his own manager.
>

For some reason I thought he had gotten more than that and, in fact, I
thought he needed that time as manager to surpass the record. I did a
bunch of research on this a couple of years ago, but have long since
lost it, but I'll take your word for it.

>During the time he was manager, he hit .262 with 115 RBI in 1,016 at-bats,
>so if 450 at-bats is a normal season, he was averaging around 50 RBI per
>season, usually hitting in the two hole.
>
>Not the greatest numbers ever, obviously, but not as bad as you made them
>sound.
>

Not real bad but the salient point is he should not have been in the
game at all.

>>
>> The man was a dick and still is.
>
>Information and belief tend to support this statement.
>
>1MF
>

Regards,

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"SkippyPB" <swiegand.TakeThisOut@neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> For some reason I thought he had gotten more than that and, in fact, I
> thought he needed that time as manager to surpass the record. I did a
> bunch of research on this a couple of years ago, but have long since
> lost it, but I'll take your word for it.

You weren't wrong about that. Rose ended up with 4,256 hits. Cobb had 4,191.
So when Rose became the Reds' manager he only had 4,060. He was 131 hits shy
at that point.

Had Rose stayed with the Expos for the entire 1984 season, he appeared to be
on a pace for about another 50 hits that season, but after he joined the
Reds he only played in another 26 games. Astoundingly, he got 35 hits in
those 26 games, hitting .365!

1MF
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>From: rosecomm4256 RemoveThis @aol.com (Rosecomm4256)
>Date: 5/11/2004 6:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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>Did the rules of baseball strip Rose of his 4,256 hits?
>----------------

Is there a rule that states if a player has so many hits that he is exempt from
rules pertaining to betting on baseball?


Casimir
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