No A-Rod - also Torre

On Nov 14, 1:48 pm, jwrag... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 12, 9:26 pm, "KlausK" <di... RemoveThis @noone.com> wrote:
>
> > For $30 mil a year, the Dodgers could improve several positions
> > simultaeneously.
>
> > I hope Torre will work a miracle for the Dodgers but I doubt it. Torre does
> > not have "fire". He is soft. He tries to be harmonious. Such an approach has
> > more or less worked for the Yankees, whose daily life is like that of a soap
> > opera. BTW, Torre didn't seem too excited when he got this job (The other
> > Joe seemed too excited when he got the Yankees job, BTW).
>
> > The Dodgers need a manager who can kick some butts.
>
> Then again, the Dodgers underachieved and has dissention in the club
> house. There won't be any of that with Torre in the clubhouse. They
> will probably improve and it doesn't take that much in the NL to move
> up.

Man, this is going to be some season. For once in the Dodgers
history, it's going to be decided scientifically: How much does
coaching *really* affect baseball.

A lot of people say coaching doesn't do much, other than pitching /
batting order stuff and some game strategy- and that;s it.

I'm more of a believer in "chemistry" - The guys have to play 6X /
week for 160 games - you *gotta* have chemistry, or you'll just
explode (like the Dodgers did last year, obviously).

If Torre, Mattingly & Bowa can't do it (whoops - Honeycutt is in there
too), I swear I'll just about be ready to really just give up - and
say that it can't be done in the Ravine...

That little piece of despair aside, we still need to find a great
starter (I'm assured by a Gnats fan that Scmidtt will be good this
year - dunno what *he* knows). I have a bad feeling about Saito this
year - I think he's gonna get injured - he's no Easter Chicken you
know.


We need two (not one) big bats - #4 and #8 pos's. Then we'll be in
the playoffs.
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Colletti has said for 2 years now, he'd get us a true power hitter,
but lo & behold, he failed !He also said he'd get us a quality
Starting Pitcher, again he failed, as Schmitt had ALREADY lost 4-5 mph
off his fastball in Frisco, yet Ned pays 40+ mil for this damaged
Pitcher ?
So instead of the slugger he promised us, he way overpays Pierre ! We
all like Juan, but he has one of the worst On Base Percentages in all
of baseball as he will not take a walk & he has a terrible arm in the
outfield !
So this off-season, all Dread has to do is sign CF Hunter, a true
defensive CF with a great bat, & trade for 3B Cabrerra, but now, half
that plan is dead !
Now the Angels, down the street, have trumped the Dodgers again ! We
missed on Vlad a few years ago & now Hunter ! All Dread Colletti had
to do was tell Tori's agent" if Tori is ready to sign elsewhere, call
me last & we'll make a deal" ! But either he didn't or he did & Dread
didn't want to pay ! I hate free agency, but it IS the name of the
game & for the team with the most attendance ever, in a large meda
market, Dread & Bank McCourt will HAVE to pay the going rate ! They
paid a no defense, no OB%, weak hitting Pierre 40+ Mil ! Don't get me
wrong, as Juan shows early to work out, stays late, but we needed &
still need a slugger, or two !
And is the Marlins are asking for Kemp, LaRoche & Kershaw ? I do that
deal in a heartbeat ! Kemp MAY be a great OF someday, but his bad
attitude & sloppy base running leave a lot to be desired, LaRoche
doesn't seem to be able tio turn the corner in blue & Kershaw MAY be a
solid SP, but we KNOW 3B Cabrerra already IS a stud player ! He will
be the 3B in the ever revolving door for years to come as well as the
number 3,4 hitter they have not had for years ! And he's only 24 ! &
if Dread had balls to pay for Hunter, to have Martin, Hunter,
Cabrerra,& Loney in the heart of the lineup would easily make us
forget about the sad batting order for the past several years ! The
Angels & media complain they don't have a back up bat for Vlad, NOW
they do, thanks to Dread & the Dodgers don't even have a big bat to
begin with !
And last season, he trades 3B Betemit for a middle reliever ?
Procter ?! He is NOT an impact player, nor are any MR's ! But at least
try Wilson for a longer period of time.
Oh, & Dread signs Tomko last year as "I know the guy" - yea, Dread,
did you know of his career 5+ ERA, you idiot ?! And oh yea, let's not
forget Randy Wolf, who was coming off an arm surgery & was never that
good a Starting Pitcher anyway !
Lastly, he signs an aged Sweeney ? And a head case in Hillebrand ?
What are 2 Pinch Hitters going to do, Will they help us win the
Pennant & World Series ? Hell no ! The Loaiza ? He pitches a very
solid first game, then tanked the next several & Dread had the nerve
to say after his first start in blue " he's our #4 starter next
season" - huh ?!
Now, the best Dread can do is sign Rowand & trade for Cabrerra & bat
Raffy 1st, Martin 2ndm, Rowand 3rd, Cabrerra 4th, Loney 5th etc.
Ned Dread Colletti is a loser & as long as Frank pays him, the
Dodgers will be a loser as well ! He didn't do squat w/ the Giants
either.



On Nov 12, 6:26 pm, "KlausK" <di... DeleteThis @noone.com> wrote:
> For $30 mil a year, the Dodgers could improve several positions
> simultaeneously.
>
> I hope Torre will work a miracle for the Dodgers but I doubt it. Torre does
> not have "fire". He is soft. He tries to be harmonious. Such an approach has
> more or less worked for the Yankees, whose daily life is like that of a soap
> opera. BTW, Torre didn't seem too excited when he got this job (The other
> Joe seemed too excited when he got the Yankees job, BTW).
>
> The Dodgers need a manager who can kick some butts.
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"NatureMuzic" <NatureMuzic.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<snip rant>

> Now the Angels, down the street, have trumped the Dodgers again ! We
> missed on Vlad a few years ago & now Hunter


You do realize that losing Vlad was not Colletti's fault? The esteemed
Commissioner of Baseball decided that the ownership of the Dodgers wasn't
finalized and wouldn't let the deal go through.


AG
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On Nov 23, 3:59 pm, "AguaGirl" <some....RemoveThis@somewhere.net> wrote:
> "NatureMuzic" <NatureMu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:0f4306cd-4ead-494f-afed-95fc940f91f6@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip rant>
>
> > Now the Angels, down the street, have trumped the Dodgers again ! We
> > missed on Vlad a few years ago & now Hunter
>
> You do realize that losing Vlad was not Colletti's fault? The esteemed
> Commissioner of Baseball decided that the ownership of the Dodgers wasn't
> finalized and wouldn't let the deal go through.
>
> AG

Oh no, I didn't want to imply the Dodgers not getting Vlad was his
fault, as it wasn't, but the then Dodger's management could have still
gotten it done with a restructuring, but all the mess since then is
Dread's fault, as noted above.
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On Nov 23, 2:07 pm, NatureMuzic <NatureMu....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> And is the Marlins are asking for Kemp, LaRoche & Kershaw ? I do that
> deal in a heartbeat ! Kemp MAY be a great OF someday, but his bad
> attitude & sloppy base running leave a lot to be desired, LaRoche
> doesn't seem to be able tio turn the corner in blue & Kershaw MAY be a
> solid SP, but we KNOW 3B Cabrerra already IS a stud player ! He will
> be the 3B in the ever revolving door for years to come as well as the
> number 3,4 hitter they have not had for years ! And he's only 24 ! &
> if Dread had balls to pay for Hunter, to have Martin, Hunter,
> Cabrerra,& Loney in the heart of the lineup would easily make us
> forget about the sad batting order for the past several years ! The
> Angels & media complain they don't have a back up bat for Vlad, NOW
> they do, thanks to Dread & the Dodgers don't even have a big bat to
> begin with !
<snip>

Ah yes the FO should make the same mistake they've always made in
recent history, trade up and comming talent away then bitch about it
when they do really well some place else. Kemp at 20 IS a good OF and
when he actualy learns the game WILL be even better. Great? Maybe. But
since almost every time an opposing manager is asked about him they
have nothing but praise about his work ethic, he moved to Phonix for
the work out facilities, and talent. Kershaw, according to BBA is one
of the top pitching prospects in the minors, top that off he's LH.
He's got an incredible BB/SO ratio and good comand of his pitches.
Since ettil refused to play Andy, favoring Nomar for some reason,
there isn't a lot to go on on how he'd do if he got consistant playing
time. But since he's in the WC he has shown what he can do after he
gets comfortable: be one of the top hitters on the team which he's
done at every level. Instead of keeping any of these guys you'd prefer
to over pay for a single player. The gm is definilty a failure but not
because he won't over pay for Cabrerra.
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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:10:35 -0800, AguaGirl
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<snip>
>>
>> The Dodgers won it in '88 with chemistry.
>
>*snort*

I don't think they're allowed /that/ sort of chemistry.

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On Nov 24, 1:59 pm, Mike De Leon <lazl....DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 2:07 pm, NatureMuzic <NatureMu....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>> And is the Marlins are asking for Kemp, LaRoche & Kershaw ? I do that
> > deal in a heartbeat ! Kemp MAY be a great OF someday, but his bad
> > attitude & sloppy base running leave a lot to be desired, LaRoche
> > doesn't seem to be able tio turn the corner in blue & Kershaw MAY be a
> > solid SP, but we KNOW 3B Cabrerra already IS a stud player ! He will
> > be the 3B in the ever revolving door for years to come as well as the
> > number 3,4 hitter they have not had for years ! And he's only 24 ! &
> > if Dread had balls to pay for Hunter, to have Martin, Hunter,
> > Cabrerra,& Loney in the heart of the lineup would easily make us
> > forget about the sad batting order for the past several years ! The
> > Angels & media complain they don't have a back up bat for Vlad, NOW
> > they do, thanks to Dread & the Dodgers don't even have a big bat to
> > begin with !
>
> <snip>
>
> Ah yes the FO should make the same mistake they've always made in
> recent history, trade up and comming talent away then bitch about it
> when they do really well some place else. Kemp at 20 IS a good OF and
> when he actualy learns the game WILL be even better. Great? Maybe. But
> since almost every time an opposing manager is asked about him they
> have nothing but praise about his work ethic, he moved to Phonix for
> the work out facilities, and talent. Kershaw, according to BBA is one
> of the top pitching prospects in the minors, top that off he's LH.
> He's got an incredible BB/SO ratio and good comand of his pitches.
> Since ettil refused to play Andy, favoring Nomar for some reason,
> there isn't a lot to go on on how he'd do if he got consistant playing
> time. But since he's in the WC he has shown what he can do after he
> gets comfortable: be one of the top hitters on the team which he's
> done at every level. Instead of keeping any of these guys you'd prefer
> to over pay for a single player. The gm is definilty a failure but not
> because he won't over pay for Cabrerra.

Geez, you have a spanish name and you still spell "Cabrera"
"Cabrerra"just because the other knucklehead did it?
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On Nov 28, 8:17 pm, Gnork <gn....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 1:59 pm, Mike De Leon <lazl....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 2:07 pm, NatureMuzic <NatureMu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <snip>> And is the Marlins are asking for Kemp, LaRoche & Kershaw ? I do that
> > > deal in a heartbeat ! Kemp MAY be a great OF someday, but his bad
> > > attitude & sloppy base running leave a lot to be desired, LaRoche
> > > doesn't seem to be able tio turn the corner in blue & Kershaw MAY be a
> > > solid SP, but we KNOW 3B Cabrerra already IS a stud player ! He will
> > > be the 3B in the ever revolving door for years to come as well as the
> > > number 3,4 hitter they have not had for years ! And he's only 24 ! &
> > > if Dread had balls to pay for Hunter, to have Martin, Hunter,
> > > Cabrerra,& Loney in the heart of the lineup would easily make us
> > > forget about the sad batting order for the past several years ! The
> > > Angels & media complain they don't have a back up bat for Vlad, NOW
> > > they do, thanks to Dread & the Dodgers don't even have a big bat to
> > > begin with !
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Ah yes the FO should make the same mistake they've always made in
> > recent history, trade up and comming talent away then bitch about it
> > when they do really well some place else. Kemp at 20 IS a good OF and
> > when he actualy learns the game WILL be even better. Great? Maybe. But
> > since almost every time an opposing manager is asked about him they
> > have nothing but praise about his work ethic, he moved to Phonix for
> > the work out facilities, and talent. Kershaw, according to BBA is one
> > of the top pitching prospects in the minors, top that off he's LH.
> > He's got an incredible BB/SO ratio and good comand of his pitches.
> > Since ettil refused to play Andy, favoring Nomar for some reason,
> > there isn't a lot to go on on how he'd do if he got consistant playing
> > time. But since he's in the WC he has shown what he can do after he
> > gets comfortable: be one of the top hitters on the team which he's
> > done at every level. Instead of keeping any of these guys you'd prefer
> > to over pay for a single player. The gm is definilty a failure but not
> > because he won't over pay for Cabrerra.
>
> Geez, you have a spanish name and you still spell "Cabrera"
> "Cabrerra"just because the other knucklehead did it?

Well since I DON'T speak or write spanish and I'm not of latin decent,
YEAH I figured his spelling was correct. And I guess you figure
everyone that has a spanish last name speaks and writes it fluently?
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"Mike De Leon" <lazlo98.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Nov 28, 8:17 pm, Gnork <gn....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 1:59 pm, Mike De Leon <lazl....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 2:07 pm, NatureMuzic <NatureMu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > <snip>> And is the Marlins are asking for Kemp, LaRoche & Kershaw ? I
>> > do that
>> > > deal in a heartbeat ! Kemp MAY be a great OF someday, but his bad
>> > > attitude & sloppy base running leave a lot to be desired, LaRoche
>> > > doesn't seem to be able tio turn the corner in blue & Kershaw MAY be
>> > > a
>> > > solid SP, but we KNOW 3B Cabrerra already IS a stud player ! He will
>> > > be the 3B in the ever revolving door for years to come as well as the
>> > > number 3,4 hitter they have not had for years ! And he's only 24 ! &
>> > > if Dread had balls to pay for Hunter, to have Martin, Hunter,
>> > > Cabrerra,& Loney in the heart of the lineup would easily make us
>> > > forget about the sad batting order for the past several years ! The
>> > > Angels & media complain they don't have a back up bat for Vlad, NOW
>> > > they do, thanks to Dread & the Dodgers don't even have a big bat to
>> > > begin with !
>>
>> > <snip>
>>
>> > Ah yes the FO should make the same mistake they've always made in
>> > recent history, trade up and comming talent away then bitch about it
>> > when they do really well some place else. Kemp at 20 IS a good OF and
>> > when he actualy learns the game WILL be even better. Great? Maybe. But
>> > since almost every time an opposing manager is asked about him they
>> > have nothing but praise about his work ethic, he moved to Phonix for
>> > the work out facilities, and talent. Kershaw, according to BBA is one
>> > of the top pitching prospects in the minors, top that off he's LH.
>> > He's got an incredible BB/SO ratio and good comand of his pitches.
>> > Since ettil refused to play Andy, favoring Nomar for some reason,
>> > there isn't a lot to go on on how he'd do if he got consistant playing
>> > time. But since he's in the WC he has shown what he can do after he
>> > gets comfortable: be one of the top hitters on the team which he's
>> > done at every level. Instead of keeping any of these guys you'd prefer
>> > to over pay for a single player. The gm is definilty a failure but not
>> > because he won't over pay for Cabrerra.
>>
>> Geez, you have a spanish name and you still spell "Cabrera"
>> "Cabrerra"just because the other knucklehead did it?
>
> Well since I DON'T speak or write spanish and I'm not of latin decent,
> YEAH I figured his spelling was correct. And I guess you figure
> everyone that has a spanish last name speaks and writes it fluently?

Gnork is the spelling Nazi. I figure he is either a frustrated English
teacher or has so little going on that correcting spelling errors is his
greatest joy. He has enough *real* content to offer so I don't put him in
my filters but I am learning to ignore these dumb spelling jabs.
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