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Colin William

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:41 pm
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I was just looking up team pitching performances in relation to the thread
on defense, and I noticed something interesting. I was curious about the
defensive prowess of the 2002 Braves. As you may recall, that team pitched
remarkably, and it came out of nowhere - they sported a 3.13 team ERA and
only 54 unearned runs on top of that.

Anyway, what struck me is that the pitching staff's ERA+ was 133. I went
back the last 50 years in both leagues and that was the best ERA+ (second
and third went to the 1997 (131) and 1993 (129) Braves. (I got tired of
looking after 50 years.) The top recent mark by a non-Atlanta team was by
the 2003 Dodgers, at 128. I don't know the all-time record, but a quick
Google search suggested it's the 1906 Cubs at 150 (team ERA of 1.75 - that's
damned impressive even in the deadball era).

So, what was it with that 2002 team that was so good? The bullpen seemed to
benefit the most - Remlinger (1.99 ERA), Holmes (1.81) and Hammond (0.95!)
memorably dominated, but guys like Gryboski and Ligtenberg and Spooneybarger
also pitched well. Smoltz's ERA of 3.25 was above the team average, but that
was horribly skewed by his second outing of the season, when he allowed 8
runs; thereafter he posted an ERA of 2.40.

The starters also pitched well. Glavine came in at 2.96 and Maddux at 2.62 -
neither is the best season of each man's career, but for both it's the only
time they've posted an ERA under 3 since 1998 (unless you go to three
decimal places, then maddux was at 2.996 in 2000). Millwood posted the third
best season of his career in 2002. Damian Moss managed the one good season
of his career.

Overall, only two guys who got any significant number of innings pitched
poorly. Jason Marquis threw 114 innings of 5.04 ERA ball, and Albie Lopez
threw 55 innings at 4.37. The next lowest number was Gryboski's 3.48, and
that came with zero unearned runs and a good rate of stranding inherited
runners. This was, FWIW, the second-oldest pitching staff and third-oldest
hitting lineup in the league that year.

Here's a link to the team for those interested in reviewing it:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ATL/2002.shtml

I still don't know how they did it; who knows, maybe TVoS was saving a run a
game with his glove, just like Bobby claimed. Seems like Sheff was strong in
RF, and perhaps Chipper was good in LF too. Maybe Julio was a vacuum at 1B.
Maybe it was just dumb luck. Whatever it was, it was arguably the best
pitching staff in the majors in decades.

Colin
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Nicholas Beaudrot

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:41 pm
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On Jun 2, 5:41 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I was just looking up team pitching performances in relation to the thread
> on defense, and I noticed something interesting. I was curious about the
> defensive prowess of the 2002 Braves. As you may recall, that team pitched
> remarkably, and it came out of nowhere - they sported a 3.13 team ERA and
> only 54 unearned runs on top of that.

Well, that's actually a decent number of unearned runs ... RA-ERA for
the top five teams that year.

ATL 0.38
SFG 0.26
LAD 0.28
STL 0.30
NYM 0.48

As I recall, that was the beginning of the Braves' historically good
bullpens. Four of the top five relievers had K/9 near 9.0, plus
Lightenberg.

Here's DER for the three-year run:

2001: .709
2002: .723
2003: .710

The pitching staff also had a BAA of .244 with none on, .231 with
runners on, and .222 with runners in scoring position. Which means
they probably stranded more runners than otherwise expected.

So it looks like three things, not necessarily in order
(1) A very strong and deep bullpen.
(2) stellar defense
(3) "clutch" pitching

Cheers,
Nicholas

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:41 pm
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On Jun 2, 7:20 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Nicholas Beaudrot" <nicholas.beaud... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote
>
> > Here's DER for the three-year run:
>
> > 2001: .709
> > 2002: .723
> > 2003: .710

I was using figures from Baseball Prospectus. Not sure what would
cause that discrepancy.

>
> Where are you getting those numbers? I show a number of .712 at bb-ref;
> certainly nothing to sneeze at, but not as lofty as .723
>
> > So it looks like three things, not necessarily in order
> > (1) A very strong and deep bullpen.
>
> I guess the thing I keep returning to, though, is why was the bullpen so
> strong? You mention the defense and maybe some luck in clutch pitching, but
> damn there were some amazing performances in there.
>

Here's BA with RISP for the relievers.
Smoltz: .271
Spooneybarger: .214
Remlinger: .213
Hammond: .167 (!)
Ligtenberg: .130 (!!)
Holmes: .122 (!!!)

The leaguewide batting average that year was .260.

The funniest thing about this exercise is that in my head, the Holmes-
Hammond-Gryboski bullpen was 1998, not 2002. I could have sworn I
remember them coming into the game against San Diego, not San
Francisco.

But I do remember TVoS going ape in the playoffs ... definitely a WTF
moment.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:20 pm
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"Nicholas Beaudrot" <nicholas.beaudrot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote
> Here's DER for the three-year run:
>
> 2001: .709
> 2002: .723
> 2003: .710

Where are you getting those numbers? I show a number of .712 at bb-ref;
certainly nothing to sneeze at, but not as lofty as .723

> So it looks like three things, not necessarily in order
> (1) A very strong and deep bullpen.

I guess the thing I keep returning to, though, is why was the bullpen so
strong? You mention the defense and maybe some luck in clutch pitching, but
damn there were some amazing performances in there.

Colin
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:15 pm
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On Jun 2, 7:49 pm, Nicholas Beaudrot <nicholas.beaud... DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Jun 2, 7:20 pm, "Colin William" <colintwill... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Nicholas Beaudrot" <nicholas.beaud... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > Here's DER for the three-year run:
>
> > > 2001: .709
> > > 2002: .723
> > > 2003: .710
>
> I was using figures from Baseball Prospectus. Not sure what would
> cause that discrepancy.
>
>
>
> > Where are you getting those numbers? I show a number of .712 at bb-ref;
> > certainly nothing to sneeze at, but not as lofty as .723
>
> > > So it looks like three things, not necessarily in order
> > > (1) A very strong and deep bullpen.
>
> > I guess the thing I keep returning to, though, is why was the bullpen so
> > strong? You mention the defense and maybe some luck in clutch pitching, but
> > damn there were some amazing performances in there.
>
> Here's BA with RISP for the relievers.
> Smoltz: .271
> Spooneybarger: .214
> Remlinger: .213
> Hammond: .167 (!)
> Ligtenberg: .130 (!!)
> Holmes: .122 (!!!)
>
> The leaguewide batting average that year was .260.
>
> The funniest thing about this exercise is that in my head, the Holmes-
> Hammond-Gryboski bullpen was 1998, not 2002. I could have sworn I
> remember them coming into the game against San Diego, not San
> Francisco.
>
> But I do remember TVoS going ape in the playoffs ... definitely a WTF
> moment.

Hmm ... looking at it further, there were other remarkable feats.
* Darren Holmes posted a BB/9 of 2.0; his career average was 3.3
* Chris Hammond posted a career-high K/9
* Mike Remlinger allowed only 3 HR in about 70 innings
* Chris Hammond allowed only 1 HR in 76 innings (!!!)
* Darren Holmes allowed only 3 HR

So, the low home run rate is another part of the mystery. Now we're up
to five partial explanations:
(1) The Bullpen was already pretty good, with Smoltz, Ligtenberg, and
Remlinger at the top
(2) Hammond, Holmes, and Spooneybarger had plus K/9 rates
(3) a lower-than-expected number of home runs
(4) "clutch" performance with RISP
(5) an improved defense

Maddux also posted a GB/FB above 2.0, which helped him drop his HR
rate, which helped. And Millwood stayed healthy and had a positive
year. Not sure about Moss and Marquis...
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:18 am
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Nicholas Beaudrot wrote:
> Here's BA with RISP for the relievers.
> Smoltz: .271
> Spooneybarger: .214
> Remlinger: .213
> Hammond: .167 (!)
> Ligtenberg: .130 (!!)
> Holmes: .122 (!!!)

That's pretty cool.

> The leaguewide batting average that year was .260.
> The funniest thing about this exercise is that in my head, the Holmes-
> Hammond-Gryboski bullpen was 1998, not 2002. I could have sworn I
> remember them coming into the game against San Diego, not San
> Francisco.

I wonder if you're maybe also thinking of 1997, when JS just overhauled
the bullpen within a span of about three days in July?

> But I do remember TVoS going ape in the playoffs ... definitely a WTF
> moment.

Gotta love - or hate - small samples.

Colin
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:36 am
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Nicholas Beaudrot wrote:
> Hmm ... looking at it further, there were other remarkable feats.
> * Darren Holmes posted a BB/9 of 2.0; his career average was 3.3
> * Chris Hammond posted a career-high K/9
> * Mike Remlinger allowed only 3 HR in about 70 innings
> * Chris Hammond allowed only 1 HR in 76 innings (!!!)
> * Darren Holmes allowed only 3 HR

Thanks for joining me in this exercise Smile

> So, the low home run rate is another part of the mystery.

I had wondered if maybe 2002 had some sort of freak park effect at
Turner Field, but the home/road splits are virtually identical. Looking
at the trends, the total team HR allowed in 2002 was around 20 less than
in the years immediately before and immediately after.

> Now we're up
> to five partial explanations:
> (1) The Bullpen was already pretty good, with Smoltz, Ligtenberg, and
> Remlinger at the top
> (2) Hammond, Holmes, and Spooneybarger had plus K/9 rates
> (3) a lower-than-expected number of home runs
> (4) "clutch" performance with RISP
> (5) an improved defense

A perfect confluence of luck and design. Overall it's just amusing to
think that during that long Braves run of great pitching staffs, that
the staff which performed best relative to league was not one of those
in the starting prime of Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz, but instead came as
the result of the performances of Hammond, Holmes and Remlinger. It's
not necessarily surprising, though. To post such a mark you need
excellent performance top to bottom; when you have starters performing
well year-in and year-out, then a dominant bullpen year is the one that
will stand out. Still, for the Braves that dominant bullpen year came
after the prime of Maddux, when he posted his lowest IP for the Braves,
and without Smoltz in the rotation.

Colin
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:14 am
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Sam Hutcheson wrote:
> The short answer, IMHO, is that the 2002 Braves bullpen was just a
> fluke.

Part of me wants to lean that way, but it wasn't just the bullpen. Sure,
Holmes, Remlinger and Hammond pitched way above their heads. So did
Damian Moss. Maddux pitched better than he had in years, and better than
he has since. Same with Glavine. Millwood had a good season within a
stretch of general averageness. Spooney had his one good season.

> What I'm
> saying is that 2002's pen was as likely a confluence of flukes, all
> the more unlikely for their happening at the same time for the same
> team, not something that you can crunch the numbers and say "oh, we
> did this better this year, we should try that again."

It's entirely possible. The confluence is so broad that it boggles the
mind, but these things happen in baseball.

Colin
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:22 pm
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In article <6al5dsF389khjU1.TakeThisOut@mid.individual.net>,
colintwilliam.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com says...
> Sam Hutcheson wrote:
> > The short answer, IMHO, is that the 2002 Braves bullpen was just a
> > fluke.
>
> Part of me wants to lean that way, but it wasn't just the bullpen. Sure,
> Holmes, Remlinger and Hammond pitched way above their heads. So did
> Damian Moss. Maddux pitched better than he had in years, and better than
> he has since. Same with Glavine. Millwood had a good season within a
> stretch of general averageness. Spooney had his one good season.

That's the year that the Braves decided to try steroids.

Obviously.

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