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Since: Nov 02, 2006
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 6:48 pm
Post subject: Relief pitching
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I have to say, as much as I think Piniella is the right man for the
Cubs, I wonder why he is so intent on using his relief pitchers for only
one inning?
Has the thinking become so specialized that relief pitchers are believed
capable to only pitch one inning?
Example, the last two times Wertz came into pitch, he set the opposition
down in order. Yet a different relief pitcher was used the following
inning, even though Wertz was not out of the game because of a pinch-hitter.
Seems to me since he was doing so well, that he could have gone at least
another inning....Then let him rest the next day, especially when you
have seven relief pitchers on your staff.
My, my....How the game has changed.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:54 am
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"tks" <tks DeleteThis @somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>I have to say, as much as I think Piniella is the right man for the Cubs, I
>wonder why he is so intent on using his relief pitchers for only one
>inning?
>
> Has the thinking become so specialized that relief pitchers are believed
> capable to only pitch one inning?
>
> Example, the last two times Wertz came into pitch, he set the opposition
> down in order. Yet a different relief pitcher was used the following
> inning, even though Wertz was not out of the game because of a
> pinch-hitter.
>
> Seems to me since he was doing so well, that he could have gone at least
> another inning....Then let him rest the next day, especially when you have
> seven relief pitchers on your staff.
>
> My, my....How the game has changed.
>
> tks
t, I don't think it's just Piniella. I can remember feeling this way all
the way back to Riggelman's pitching decisions. You're right---the game
has changed. I can't see this change as being for the better |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 8:57 pm
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On May 27, 5:48 pm, tks <t... RemoveThis @somewhere.net> wrote:
> I have to say, as much as I think Piniella is the right man for the
> Cubs, I wonder why he is so intent on using his relief pitchers for only
> one inning?
>
> Has the thinking become so specialized that relief pitchers are believed
> capable to only pitch one inning?
>
> Example, the last two times Wertz came into pitch, he set the opposition
> down in order. Yet a different relief pitcher was used the following
> inning, even though Wertz was not out of the game because of a pinch-hitter.
>
> Seems to me since he was doing so well, that he could have gone at least
> another inning....Then let him rest the next day, especially when you
> have seven relief pitchers on your staff.
>
> My, my....How the game has changed.
>
> tks
Piniella definitely has some good points that I like but he also seems
to have some serious weaknesses, the major one being the way he uses
his bullpen. From what I've seen he just seems overly concerned with
lefty/righty match ups. Compounding this problem is the fact that our
left handers out of the bullpen have been HORRIBLE. At this point I
think Piniella needs to pick our best middle relievers (Guzman
and Wuertz?) and give them all the work when we have the lead.
We just can't afford to give away any games in the late innings.
Lance >> Stay informed about: Relief pitching |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:37 pm
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tks wrote:
> I have to say, as much as I think Piniella is the right man for the
> Cubs, I wonder why he is so intent on using his relief pitchers for only
> one inning?
>
> Has the thinking become so specialized that relief pitchers are believed
> capable to only pitch one inning?
>
> Example, the last two times Wertz came into pitch, he set the opposition
> down in order. Yet a different relief pitcher was used the following
> inning, even though Wertz was not out of the game because of a
> pinch-hitter.
>
> Seems to me since he was doing so well, that he could have gone at least
> another inning....Then let him rest the next day, especially when you
> have seven relief pitchers on your staff.
>
> My, my....How the game has changed.
I agree with you here. These guys have off days and the more pitchers
you throw out there the better chance you have of finding one. Plus
there is less wear and tear on the arm from one warmup and two
innings than from two warmups and two innings.
ray heitmann >> Stay informed about: Relief pitching |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:25 am
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The bullpen has a real confidence problem. Pinella is trying to get as many
good outings out of them as he can. Leaving RPs in for one batter or one
inning gets over done but there is method to the madness. I expect a lot of
turnover in the bullpen but Lou has to work with what he has.
It also seems like Rothchild's tinkering is not helping these guys for now.
It looks like they are trying to deal with the bad fundamentals even if it
costs a few games this year.
"tks" <tks.RemoveThis@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>I have to say, as much as I think Piniella is the right man for the Cubs, I
>wonder why he is so intent on using his relief pitchers for only one
>inning?
>
> Has the thinking become so specialized that relief pitchers are believed
> capable to only pitch one inning?
>
> Example, the last two times Wertz came into pitch, he set the opposition
> down in order. Yet a different relief pitcher was used the following
> inning, even though Wertz was not out of the game because of a
> pinch-hitter.
>
> Seems to me since he was doing so well, that he could have gone at least
> another inning....Then let him rest the next day, especially when you have
> seven relief pitchers on your staff.
>
> My, my....How the game has changed.
>
> tks >> Stay informed about: Relief pitching |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:20 am
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On Jun 13, 5:25 am, "Winnemac Mike" <longl... DeleteThis @mc.net> wrote:
> The bullpen has a real confidence problem. Pinella is trying to get as many
> good outings out of them as he can. Leaving RPs in for one batter or one
> inning gets over done but there is method to the madness. I expect a lot of
> turnover in the bullpen but Lou has to work with what he has.
>
> It also seems like Rothchild's tinkering is not helping these guys for now.
> It looks like they are trying to deal with the bad fundamentals even if it
> costs a few games this year.
>
> "tks" <t... DeleteThis @somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> news:a65a2$465a0ace$471e469a$9092@ALLTEL.NET...
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> >I have to say, as much as I think Piniella is the right man for the Cubs, I
> >wonder why he is so intent on using his relief pitchers for only one
> >inning?
>
> > Has the thinking become so specialized that relief pitchers are believed
> > capable to only pitch one inning?
>
> > Example, the last two times Wertz came into pitch, he set the opposition
> > down in order. Yet a different relief pitcher was used the following
> > inning, even though Wertz was not out of the game because of a
> > pinch-hitter.
>
> > Seems to me since he was doing so well, that he could have gone at least
> > another inning....Then let him rest the next day, especially when you have
> > seven relief pitchers on your staff.
>
> > My, my....How the game has changed.
>
> > tks- Hide quoted text -
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Dempster seems to be more comfortable as for the rest of the relief
crewd Pinnela has too be shown that the pitchers warrant pictching
more than one inning. Wertz was pulled because he was due up and
Pinnela was hoping for some production. >> Stay informed about: Relief pitching |
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