Reds Option Patterson to AAA

On May 28, 3:52 pm, David Short
<David.no.Sh....RemoveThis@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:

>
> For what it's worth Patterson was booed when he came up to pinch hit
> last night. Even casual reds fans sense he doesn't belong.


He's a tough guy to use with today's 12-13 man pitching staffs, but
Earl Weaver was known to use some glove only starters (not just
Belanger. Blair post beaning and Larry Harlow come to mind).

Thing is that he constructed his team so as to be able to pinch-hit
at will in high weight situations. His bench always had at minimum
two good pinch-hitters and a good utility guy. Of course he ran
a 4 man rotation and always had a good long guy (Grant Jackson
or Sammy Stewart for instance) so he got by with 8-9 pitchers.
He also never bothered with a loogy. Left-handed relievers sure.
Pete Richert and Tippy Martinez gave him good years. But they
were good pitchers who happened to be left-handed rather than
any type of specialist.
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Kevin McClave wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 14:28:48 -0500, "Steve M. Mann"
> <rockermann.TakeThisOut@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>
>> http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/SPT04/305...105/107
>>
>> What's next?
>
> Homer Bailey replaces Matt Belisle?

Not yet.

For what it's worth Patterson was booed when he came up to pinch hit
last night. Even casual reds fans sense he doesn't belong.

dfs
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"Ron Johnson" <johnson DeleteThis @ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in message
news:7873d9ac-79d1-4900-bfe5-13084ff7d3e1@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 28, 3:52 pm, David Short
> <David.no.Sh... DeleteThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> For what it's worth Patterson was booed when he came up to pinch hit
>> last night. Even casual reds fans sense he doesn't belong.
>
>
> He's a tough guy to use with today's 12-13 man pitching staffs, but
> Earl Weaver was known to use some glove only starters (not just
> Belanger. Blair post beaning and Larry Harlow come to mind).
>
> Thing is that he constructed his team so as to be able to pinch-hit
> at will in high weight situations. His bench always had at minimum
> two good pinch-hitters and a good utility guy. Of course he ran
> a 4 man rotation and always had a good long guy (Grant Jackson
> or Sammy Stewart for instance) so he got by with 8-9 pitchers.
> He also never bothered with a loogy. Left-handed relievers sure.
> Pete Richert and Tippy Martinez gave him good years. But they
> were good pitchers who happened to be left-handed rather than
> any type of specialist.
>
>
Another Positive Thing, way over due but a welcomed developement! I wonder
what the next move is I do belive Belisle is on the bubble as he should be
for his lack of performance. Ya either got it or ya don't ..he hasnt shown
anything to me after all this time.
>
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Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, Ron Johnson
<johnson DeleteThis @ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca>?

> He's a tough guy to use with today's 12-13 man pitching staffs,
> but Earl Weaver was known to use some glove only starters (not
> just Belanger.

Earl didn't bat 'em leadoff.

> Thing is that he constructed his team so as to be able to
> pinch-hit at will in high weight situations. His bench always
> had at minimum two good pinch-hitters and a good utility guy. Of
> course he ran a 4 man rotation and always had a good long guy
> (Grant Jackson or Sammy Stewart for instance) so he got by with
> 8-9 pitchers. He also never bothered with a loogy. Left-handed
> relievers sure. Pete Richert and Tippy Martinez gave him good
> years. But they were good pitchers who happened to be
> left-handed rather than any type of specialist.

Whoa, Tippy Martinez, there's a blast from the past. Loved that guy.

--
Cheers,
--Jeff
Let's Go Orange!
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:14:16 -0400, "Chuck" <chuckw417 DeleteThis @bellsouth.net>
wrote:

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>"Ron Johnson" <johnson DeleteThis @ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> wrote in message
>news:7873d9ac-79d1-4900-bfe5-13084ff7d3e1@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 28, 3:52 pm, David Short
>> <David.no.Sh... DeleteThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For what it's worth Patterson was booed when he came up to pinch hit
>>> last night. Even casual reds fans sense he doesn't belong.
>>
>> He's a tough guy to use with today's 12-13 man pitching staffs, but
>> Earl Weaver was known to use some glove only starters (not just
>> Belanger. Blair post beaning and Larry Harlow come to mind).
>>
>> Thing is that he constructed his team so as to be able to pinch-hit
>> at will in high weight situations. His bench always had at minimum
>> two good pinch-hitters and a good utility guy. Of course he ran
>> a 4 man rotation and always had a good long guy (Grant Jackson
>> or Sammy Stewart for instance) so he got by with 8-9 pitchers.
>> He also never bothered with a loogy. Left-handed relievers sure.
>> Pete Richert and Tippy Martinez gave him good years. But they
>> were good pitchers who happened to be left-handed rather than
>> any type of specialist.
>
>Another Positive Thing, way over due but a welcomed developement!

Patterson supposedly *asked* to be sent down.

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Kevin McClave

"Courage, the footstool of the Virtues, upon
which they stand." ~Robert Louis Stevenson
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"Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveSPAM DIES DeleteThis @HEREtwcny.rr.com> wrote in
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:14:16 -0400, "Chuck" <chuckw417 DeleteThis @bellsouth.net>
>>> On May 28, 3:52 pm, David Short
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth Patterson was booed when he came up to pinch hit
>>>> last night. Even casual reds fans sense he doesn't belong.
>>Another Positive Thing, way over due but a welcomed developement!
>
> Patterson supposedly *asked* to be sent down.

wow. Cite?

If true, I really respect that. He wasn't going to get what he thinks of as
regular playing time and after going 0-8 and then getting booed at home,
he's got to want to establish some level of success someplace.

More power to him.

FWIW if Dusty had anything to do with keeping Bruce in Louisville to start
the season, I think part of it had to do with the way Patterson was treated
in Chicago.I knew Patterson was highly regarded, but it was a shock to look
at the old prospect list and see Patterson rated well over Dunn and Kearns.
It's a tough game.

dfs
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:09:45 -0400, "David Short"
<David.No.Short RemoveThis @Spam.Wright.Please.Edu> wrote:

>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclaveSPAM DIES RemoveThis @HEREtwcny.rr.com> wrote in
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:14:16 -0400, "Chuck" <chuckw417 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net>
>>>> On May 28, 3:52 pm, David Short
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it's worth Patterson was booed when he came up to pinch hit
>>>>> last night. Even casual reds fans sense he doesn't belong.
>>>Another Positive Thing, way over due but a welcomed developement!
>>
>> Patterson supposedly *asked* to be sent down.
>
>wow. Cite?

It was in John Fay's blog at the Enquirer site. Quoting Dusty Baker.

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Kevin McClave

"Courage, the footstool of the Virtues, upon
which they stand." ~Robert Louis Stevenson
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On May 28, 6:32 pm, "Orange J. Dood" <no_this_isnt.DeleteThis@my_email.com>
wrote:
> Who lives in a pineapple under the sea, Ron Johnson
> <john....DeleteThis@ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca>?
>
> > He's a tough guy to use with today's 12-13 man pitching staffs,
> > but Earl Weaver was known to use some glove only starters (not
> > just Belanger.
>
> Earl didn't bat 'em leadoff.

You'd be surprised. Weaver gave Belanger 675 PAs at leadoff
and 1334 batting 2nd.

Used to do it against guys he though Belanger could hit
(Nolan Ryan comes to mind)

This was something Bill James checked out in the early 80s.
Didn't work particularly well. Belanger hit .235/.304 /.302
leadoff and .231/.306/.289

Blair led off a little more than that -- mostly when
Buford or the leadoff hitter du jour wasn't playing.

Worked very badly. .236/.296/.355 in 852 PAs as a
leadoff hitter. Mostly for Weaver.

Harlow regularly led off the one year he was a regular.
And hit .235/.317/.340 as a leadoff hitter.

(Not all of Weaver's leadoff hitters were of this type. Bumbry
was nothing special but Buford was as good as anybody in the
league.)

But despite leading them off (or batting them second),
he'd hit for them if the right situation came up.

Not really an option for Baker.
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